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Post by Richie Dearly on Mar 7, 2010 0:57:51 GMT -5
The Lion King is truely one of the greatest Disney movies ever made. I love this movie alot. This is my second favorite movie overall. Simba is by far one of my top favorite animal characters of all time. So yeah definitely love this movie.
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Post by Belchic on Mar 7, 2010 19:25:27 GMT -5
Hey Justin? Do I know you from somewhere? Are you a returning board member or a new board member?
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Post by Richie Dearly on Apr 8, 2010 19:13:58 GMT -5
I don't think so?
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jul 13, 2010 2:02:11 GMT -5
Something I thought I'd share about The Lion King:
During the early/mid 1990s, after Disney gave us Aladdin, they intended, and expected, Pocahontas to be the smash hit movie and The Lion King was meant to be filler. But that didn't happen--nowadays people still debate over the Best Disney Feature Film being this movie or Beauty and the Beast. Many people now think of The Lion King as the pinnacle of the Disney Renaissance while Pocahontas is only remembered as a disappointment after the prior three movies.
So as far as the Disney Animated Canon is concerned, The Lion King is pretty much the canon's Ensemble Darkhorse.
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Post by Belchic on Jul 13, 2010 14:23:29 GMT -5
Wow. That's hard to believe.
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Post by Kit on Jul 13, 2010 14:28:52 GMT -5
I like these movies alot.
I especially like the songs - They where beautifull in my language's version of the dub. And many others as well.
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Post by Avenger (Rave Blitz) on Jul 13, 2010 19:07:57 GMT -5
The Lion King Rocks! I used to be a huggge Lion King fan back when I was kid! LOL! I watched it all the time and I actually memorized every single quote from that movie XD! I still love that movie to this day!!! What's great is..... IT'S AN ACTUAL WORLD IN KINGDOM HEARTS!!!! Simba is my favorite character in the movie! I like him as a Cub cause he's ADORABLE!! X3.....and awesome....
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Post by Paws on Jul 14, 2010 22:42:17 GMT -5
By far, one of Disney's bests. I love this movie a lot; it's got a good plot, excellent animation, charm, catchy tunes... What more could you want from a film? The sequel sort of 'killed the charm', so to speak, but what I saw of it, it was pretty good~ And don't you DARE get me started on 1 1/2. I love that movie to bits~! So as far as the Disney Animated Canon is concerned, The Lion King is pretty much the canon's Ensemble Darkhorse. Ensemble Darkhouse, eh Trey? You got that from TV Tropes, didn'tcha? (I've been devoting way too much of my time to that website).
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jul 24, 2010 2:57:18 GMT -5
This is sort of a random thought I came up with yesterday, but I felt like sharing it with you guys anyway. What if "The Lion King" was released in the 1960's? If it was, we'd see Walt's special touch in there somewhere, and he might make it similar to "The Jungle Book". But who do you think the voice actors would be? These are my assumptions of the possible voice actors for "The Lion King" if it were made in the 60's: Young Simba - Butch Patrick Adult Simba - Gene Wilder Young Nala - Sandra Abbott Adult Nala - Cate Bauer Mufasa - Thurl Ravenscroft Sarabi - Hermoine Badley Timon - Don Adams Pumbaa - Phil Harris Rafiki - Scatman Crothers Zazu - J. Pat O'Malley Snenzi - June Foray Banzai - Paul Frees Ed - Mel Blanc Scar - Vincent Price Do you think those sound like cool assumptions? Not a bad list at all Belchic. Maybe they would hire the Beatles to do the soundtrack. And I had a similar thought just recently: What if The Lion King was made in the 1980s? It would probably be very dark and still merchandise driven, and some aspects of some characters would be different. It would probably make sense if Disney hired Phil Collins for the soundtrack. But for the voice actors, I have: Gabriel Damon as Young Simba Michael J. Fox as Adult Simba Bettina Bush as Young Nala Molly Ringwald as Adult Nala Peter Cullen as Mufasa Annie Potts as Sarabi Paul Reubens as Timon John Candy as Pumbaa Morgan Freeman as Rafiki Rik Mayall as Zazu Vanessa Williams as Snenzi Chris Latta as Banzai Frank Welker as Ed Timothy Dalton as Scar Sound cool? Suggestions to make it better? I'm open to your thoughts.
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Post by Belchic on Sept 7, 2010 1:34:58 GMT -5
Well, despite what Confused Matthew and babclayman have to say about this film, I still love it regardless. Although, if I was to give a few criticisms about it, I would give these:
At one point in the film, it's supposed to leap ahead in time, right? Like about...25 years or so? Okay, so why is it that Simba and Nala were the only characters who actually aged over that time? I thought Disney was all about consistency! Whatever happened to that, hmm?
Another criticism I might have to say is that the hyenas were not really necessary. I mean, sure, I understand they were put in there to put a good blend of comedy into the show, but if you listen to what they're actually saying, pretty much every single one of their lines was a food joke or something about wanting to eat. That's something that got really annoying after a while.
I think what really made this movie worthwhile were the songs. I will agree with Confused Matthew thinking that "Circle of Life" was the best song in the movie. Indeed it was. It was a perfect opening to the movie giving a fine example of what lied ahead, and every time I listen to it, I cry. The only other songs in the movie that I think were truly awesome were "I Just Can't Wait to Be King" and "Be Prepared". "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" was pretty good too, and "Hakuna Matata" was mediocre at best. If there is one song in the movie I can live without, it's that stupid "Morning Report" song that was added to it on the Special Edition DVD. I thought it would be cool for them to add a song from the Lion King musical into the movie, kinda like what they did with Beauty and the Beast, but of all the other songs from that musical they could have chosen, why did it have to be "Morning Report"? Why didn't they choose one of the better songs? If I was to choose a song from the musical to add to the movie, I would have chosen "Shadowland", because that song was at a part in the play that showed more backstory, tied together some loose ends, and relieved a lot of mystery that was put into the story.
Any thoughts on what I just said there?
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Post by Bishop on Sept 7, 2010 6:56:48 GMT -5
You might want to add that it was a total rip off of Kimba the White Lion into your list of criticisms.
That being said, I still love the movie regardless.
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Post by Nemo on Sept 7, 2010 9:09:06 GMT -5
I do agree with your crits Belchic, and still love the movie anyway <3
I can't stand the Morning Report song. Because when you listen to it, you can OBVIOUSLY tell that Simba has a very... very different voice. The least they could've done was tried to find someone who sounded more like Simba :/ cause it sounds like he's going through puberty briefly in that part of the film, then goes back to a little kid.. what?
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Post by Kit on Sept 7, 2010 9:33:52 GMT -5
I think Confused Matthew's review is kinda broken. He puts way too much focus onto individual scenes, which makes him miss the bigger picture - completely. And sometimes I think he just exaggerates to the point where I found him embarrassing to listen to. An example could be his issues with the young Simba which he finds too whiny and claims to be too hard to like cause he apparantly lacks the high moral compass of a hero. Hello? Ever heard of character developement? Isn't Simba's maturing and coming to terms with his role as king almost the main part of the movie's plot? Confused Matthew complains about the opening scene where Simba wakes up Mufasa making voices that was nothing like the movie at all - Is it so unheard of that eager kids will wake up their parents early in the morning? Then there is his problems with the "Be Prepared" song which he claims is unneeded, because the audience allready knew that Scar and the Hyenas where working together. Well... there was no scene prior to this one showing Scar conversing with the Hyenas - and the song was about how they plotted to murder the king, not about them working together. In my eyes, CM got it wrong here. And then there is his qualms with Timon & Pumba which he calls "the greatest disney villains of all time" because they supposedly kept Simba from returning to the Pride rock and fulfilling his destiny as king. Yeah... Here we have the poor, shocked, traumatized and exhausted Simba running away because he can't face his family thinking he is responsible for his fathers death, having no place to go Timon & Pumba provide him a place to live. And did I mention they saved his life from the vultures? I could probably go on about this. I don't really agree with the points made in his review. I feel like I saw the movie with completely different eyes than what he did. All though he has one point I kind of agree on which would be the ending where Scar is revealing his "truth" about Mufasa's death to the lionesses. Apart from that I guess I could say again that the Lion King would be my favorite Disney movie. I love the voices in the dub of my language... cept for Scar. Compared to a few other versions I have heard, the Scar in my language sounds too camp. At one point in the film, it's supposed to leap ahead in time, right? Like about...25 years or so? Okay, so why is it that Simba and Nala were the only characters who actually aged over that time? I thought Disney was all about consistency! Whatever happened to that, hmm? Another criticism I might have to say is that the hyenas were not really necessary. I mean, sure, I understand they were put in there to put a good blend of comedy into the show, but if you listen to what they're actually saying, pretty much every single one of their lines was a food joke or something about wanting to eat. That's something that got really annoying after a while. 25 years? These are lions, remember? In the wild Lions rarely grow older than 14 years of age. In Captivity they may live for about 20 years or more. Lions reach maturity and have usually reproduced by the age of 4. But you have a point. Even though lions grow up fast, I think they should have given the other characters a few visible signs of aging, maybe introduced Timon & Pumba as slightly younger in their first scene. Then there is your point with the Hyenas. Their role in the movie are Scars army. Scar gives allusions to being feeble ("Well as far as brains go, I got the Lion's share. But when it comes to Brute Strength, I'm afraid I'm at the shallow end of the gene pool.") so he would probably need an army should the need come. The hyena's effect is comedy, as you say. I personally found the hyenas to be the most hilarious characters in the movie.
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Post by Trey_Vore on Sept 8, 2010 3:18:16 GMT -5
To start off, I will no longer crusade against Confused Matthew. Because, well…it’s kinda silly. I don’t see his video on The Lion King as particularly valid, but like his page on TV Tropes says:
YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY – When one of your most famous videos concerns the tearing apart of movies both commercially and critically successful, you do not garner universal support.
For the whole Kimba the White Lion deal: it’s possible that someone at Disney may have known about it, but at the time Japanese anime was not nearly as big in the US as it was once the Pokemon craze hit the late 1990s.
But even if Disney DID steal from that anime, that small anime studio couldn’t sue Disney even if they wanted to. Do you remember that one Simpsons episode “Marge Gets a Job” where Homer and Marge hired Lionel Hutz to confront Mr. Burns about his sexual harassment suit, Mr. Burns counters with an army of lawyers and Lionel Hutz ran out of the room screaming? It’d be like that.
For the music, yeah. It’s not as memorable as the prior three movies. But it’s partly because The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin all had their songs written by Howard Ashman, who had a talent of writing memorable song lyrics. He died near the end of production of Beauty and the Beast (he had AIDS). So Elton John and Tim Rice had to pick up the slack. I loved “Circle of Life” and “Can You Feel the Love Tonight”, “I Can’t Wait to be King” is lively, “Be Prepared”…well, it does its job, and “Hakuna Matata” is…you can say “The Bare Necessities” all over again. Little known fact is early promos for the film claimed the movie had seven original songs, not five. One song that was cut is “Warthog Rhapsody” which actually made it onto the “Rhythm of the Pride Lands” CD. I imagine it was cut because it was either that song or “Hakuna Matata”. Another song that was cut was “To Be King” where early in the movie (presumably after Simba wakes Mufasa) Mufasa was to tell Simba, in song, about the role of being a king. It was cut because, well…do you really think it would seem all that serious? And coming from James Earl Jones? And that “Morning Report”…yep. Deserved to be cut.
For the hyenas, well…it’s like I say about Jasper and Horace: I love the film for a bunch of different reasons. But they aren’t one of them.
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Post by Belchic on Sept 8, 2010 13:04:24 GMT -5
Bishop - I doubt that anybody in the studio even knew that Kimba movie even existed. @nemo - You are so right. In fact, Zazu's voice was different too! I was completely shocked that they didn't get Mr. Bean to do his voice in that one little segment! Instead, they used Jeff Bennett, one of the most overused voice actors of all time! Kit - I was sort of exaggerating there. In lion years, it may have been 25 years, but in human years, it was more like 4. I don't think I've made myself clear on the song thing, though. I don't know who else here has seen the musical, and I don't mean to give anything away, but there's actually a huge amount events that occur in between the scene where Scar pesters Zazu while he's running the Pridelands and the scene where Simba, Timon and Pumbaa are looking up at the stars. During these "events" that I mentioned, Nala sings a song called "Shadowland". I liked this segment because it showed a clear explanation why Nala left the Pridelands in the first place. It added a lot to the story, while in the movie, there was a lot of mystery behind why she left. There were also a lot of new scenes with Simba (as an adult), Timon and Pumbaa, which looked like they could have been entertaining to have in the movie.
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