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Post by silkiewings on Feb 7, 2009 10:57:42 GMT -5
The 2005 version directed by Tim Burton is quite possibly my favorite movie of all time. Everything about it is simply brilliant, the soundtrack, the storyline, the characters, everything. There isn't a single character I dislike in it, not one, although the best is Veruca Salt (Daddy. I want a squirrel. Get me one of those squirrels. I want one.). Seriously, if you haven't seen this movie, why not? I'm pretty sure you can find the whole film on YouTube, but of course the DVD is best. Over the past week I've watched it around seven times ;D
Yay, I found the first part of the film, here it is:
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Post by Nemo on Feb 7, 2009 11:20:13 GMT -5
I love this movie so much XD
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Post by dollycartoon on Feb 7, 2009 11:32:35 GMT -5
WHOO!!! CATCF RULES!
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Post by Belchic on Feb 8, 2009 3:13:15 GMT -5
After hearing the girls talk, I'll step up:
The original movie is overall a wonderful movie. This remake is also quite good, but in my opinion, I felt it was really unnecessary.
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Post by silkiewings on Feb 8, 2009 5:09:51 GMT -5
The original movie is overall a wonderful movie. This remake is also quite good, but in my opinion, I felt it was really unnecessary. The 1971 version is a brilliant film too, but it had a couple of flaws that made it a bit odd, Augustus and Mike were not nasty like they were supposed to be, and Charlie was rather cruel, for instance when Violet becomes a blueberry he is laughing, while Veruca and Mike seem concerned for her. On the other end of the spectrum, Veruca and Violet seem a bit too cruel, with Veruca hitting her father when he refuses her something, and Violet yelling at Veruca when Veruca wasn't even talking to her in the first place. My least favorite thing about the 1971 version was probably that it didn't show what happened to the four bad kids after they had their punishments. While we have Wonka's word that they will be alright, he isn't exactly the most trustworthy person, and we are never quite sure whether they survived or not. The 2005 movie made Charlie a likable person, and the four bad kids unlikable, but not unredeemable. Near the end, it showed that the kids got out of the factory without serious harm done to them, but with enough of a punishment to teach them a lesson. This makes it a lot less worrying than the 1971 version, and kids watching the film won't have to be left wondering whether they survived. It is a family film, after all. One thing to remember is that the 2005 version is not a remake of the 1971 version, rather; it is a new take on the book. Roald Dahl hated the old one, and refused to let it have the same name as his book, hence why it is called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory as opposed to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. While he is now dead, his estate decided that the 2005 version is a film Roald Dahl would have liked to have been based off his book, so it is allowed the title Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
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Post by Drake on Feb 8, 2009 7:35:01 GMT -5
Yeah, heard about that, well, the whole 2005 movie keeping on terms with the book as it were.
I for one, do like both movies, but I enjoy the 2005 one, good old Johnny Depp, going from Captain Jack Sparrow, to Willy Wonka.
"Shouldn't you be up there?" "Well, I couldn't watch the show from up there, now could I little girl?"
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Post by Trey_Vore on Feb 8, 2009 22:34:59 GMT -5
The original movie is overall a wonderful movie. This remake is also quite good, but in my opinion, I felt it was really unnecessary. The 1971 version is a brilliant film too, but it had a couple of flaws that made it a bit odd, Augustus and Mike were not nasty like they were supposed to be, and Charlie was rather cruel, for instance when Violet becomes a blueberry he is laughing, while Veruca and Mike seem concerned for her. On the other end of the spectrum, Veruca and Violet seem a bit too cruel, with Veruca hitting her father when he refuses her something, and Violet yelling at Veruca when Veruca wasn't even talking to her in the first place. My least favorite thing about the 1971 version was probably that it didn't show what happened to the four bad kids after they had their punishments. While we have Wonka's word that they will be alright, he isn't exactly the most trustworthy person, and we are never quite sure whether they survived or not. The 2005 movie made Charlie a likable person, and the four bad kids unlikable, but not unredeemable. Near the end, it showed that the kids got out of the factory without serious harm done to them, but with enough of a punishment to teach them a lesson. This makes it a lot less worrying than the 1971 version, and kids watching the film won't have to be left wondering whether they survived. It is a family film, after all. One thing to remember is that the 2005 version is not a remake of the 1971 version, rather; it is a new take on the book. Roald Dahl hated the old one, and refused to let it have the same name as his book, hence why it is called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory as opposed to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. While he is now dead, his estate decided that the 2005 version is a film Roald Dahl would have liked to have been based off his book, so it is allowed the title Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Those are some good points. I happened to like both versions as well. I think the newer movie probably did more to stay within the book's essence with the exception of the ending. I don't know if that was the theme behind Charlie Through the Looking Glass or whatnot, and maybe I could have had the movie without trying to look into Mr. Wonka's past, but it still had it's heart in the right place. I have read through the book Roald Dahl originally wrote and they don't actually go through the "Lickable wallpaper" room, the "Fizzy Lifting Drinks" room or the "Golden Goose" room. In the book Veruca disappears when they see the Nut Shelling room. I think they changed that in the 1971 movie probably because like with rats, you can't really train squirrels to act and the technology wasn't available to make the Nut Shelling room feasible. Plus after the tour is over, Mr. Wonka doesn't go on his 'forfeiture' tirade over the Fizzy Lifting Drinks. Yeah, I mean that fits with the movie's theme that Mr. Wonka had suspected he had thieves inside his factory, but still, Charlie and his Grandpa never actually went inside the Fizzy Lifting Drink room, at least in the book. At the same time, the book never made reference to Mr. Slugworth trying to bribe off the kids with potential riches. Another thing is the four other kids, like Silky says, are not incorrigable. They still have the 'Deadly Sin' aspects (Charlie is "Virtue" while Augustus is "Gluttony", Veruca is "Greed", Violet is "Pride" and Mike is "Wrath"), and yes, the newer movie lets us see them leave the factory (hopefully now a little wiser), like in the book itself. And of course... That's my thoughts. Thanks for reading. "This whole room is edible. I am edible. But that is called "Cannibalism"." --You had to throw in that last part, didn't you?, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005)
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Post by bluecatcinema on Feb 9, 2009 8:02:44 GMT -5
I loved this movie. It had good songs, some decent jokes, and even gave Willy a back story.
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Post by totdessie on Feb 12, 2009 13:42:18 GMT -5
Mmm, I personally wasn't too keen on the Wonka back story, but the rest of the film is brilliant. I didn't know that was why the original was called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, I wonder if Dahl would have liked the re-make?
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Post by babclayman on Feb 12, 2009 14:32:18 GMT -5
I like both versions for different reasons
For the original film, i like it due to the songs Also, i thought that Veruca was more a whiny brat in that one and would actually kick someone to get what she wants, in the newer one, she always seems to be calm. However there was the scary tunnel scene (a big lipped aligator moment) it did seem a bit scary and pointless however it did give a good dark twist on the story.
I do like the newer one to. It did follow the book more accurately plus all the Ompa Lompa songs were different. I found Augustus Gloop was more of a pig in this version as he seemed to eat ALOT more than his older version (who seem to be very calm in the older one) But it did seem to have that sort of dark story with Wonkas past.
Still, both good in my eyes.
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Post by Belchic on Feb 12, 2009 15:07:58 GMT -5
The 1971 version is a brilliant film too, but it had a couple of flaws that made it a bit odd, Augustus and Mike were not nasty like they were supposed to be, and Charlie was rather cruel, for instance when Violet becomes a blueberry he is laughing, while Veruca and Mike seem concerned for her. On the other end of the spectrum, Veruca and Violet seem a bit too cruel, with Veruca hitting her father when he refuses her something, and Violet yelling at Veruca when Veruca wasn't even talking to her in the first place. My least favorite thing about the 1971 version was probably that it didn't show what happened to the four bad kids after they had their punishments. While we have Wonka's word that they will be alright, he isn't exactly the most trustworthy person, and we are never quite sure whether they survived or not. The 2005 movie made Charlie a likable person, and the four bad kids unlikable, but not unredeemable. Near the end, it showed that the kids got out of the factory without serious harm done to them, but with enough of a punishment to teach them a lesson. This makes it a lot less worrying than the 1971 version, and kids watching the film won't have to be left wondering whether they survived. It is a family film, after all. One thing to remember is that the 2005 version is not a remake of the 1971 version, rather; it is a new take on the book. Roald Dahl hated the old one, and refused to let it have the same name as his book, hence why it is called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory as opposed to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. While he is now dead, his estate decided that the 2005 version is a film Roald Dahl would have liked to have been based off his book, so it is allowed the title Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Those are some good points. I happened to like both versions as well. I think the newer movie probably did more to stay within the book's essence with the exception of the ending. I don't know if that was the theme behind Charlie Through the Looking Glass or whatnot, and maybe I could have had the movie without trying to look into Mr. Wonka's past, but it still had it's heart in the right place. I have read through the book Roald Dahl originally wrote and they don't actually go through the "Lickable wallpaper" room, the "Fizzy Lifting Drinks" room or the "Golden Goose" room. In the book Veruca disappears when they see the Nut Shelling room. I think they changed that in the 1971 movie probably because like with rats, you can't really train squirrels to act and the technology wasn't available to make the Nut Shelling room feasible. Plus after the tour is over, Mr. Wonka doesn't go on his 'forfeiture' tirade over the Fizzy Lifting Drinks. Yeah, I mean that fits with the movie's theme that Mr. Wonka had suspected he had thieves inside his factory, but still, Charlie and his Grandpa never actually went inside the Fizzy Lifting Drink room, at least in the book. At the same time, the book never made reference to Mr. Slugworth trying to bribe off the kids with potential riches. Another thing is the four other kids, like Silky says, are not incorrigable. They still have the 'Deadly Sin' aspects (Charlie is "Virtue" while Augustus is "Gluttony", Veruca is "Greed", Violet is "Pride" and Mike is "Wrath"), and yes, the newer movie lets us see them leave the factory (hopefully now a little wiser), like in the book itself. And of course... That's my thoughts. Thanks for reading. "This whole room is edible. I am edible. But that is called "Cannibalism"." --You had to throw in that last part, didn't you?, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) Interesting concept, but what about the other Deadly Sins? I also don't think "Virtue" is one of them.
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Post by dollycartoon on Feb 13, 2009 15:18:01 GMT -5
What is everones favourite songs? I love all of them personally XD
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Post by silkiewings on Feb 13, 2009 15:46:31 GMT -5
Interesting concept, but what about the other Deadly Sins? I also don't think "Virtue" is one of them. In the original draft of the book, there are way more children, ten in fact, including Miranda Piker (a girl who is obsessed with schoolwork and doesn't think children should have fun) and Marvin Prune (a boy who is very conceited) to name only two. Perhaps Roald Dahl originally had a child to co-ordinate with each Deadly Sin? And Virtue is not a Deadly Sin, but it is the opposite of them, to show that Charlie is the hero, and not a brat like the other kids.
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Post by babclayman on Feb 13, 2009 16:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by dollycartoon on Feb 14, 2009 3:56:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Silky told me about Miranda Piker and that there were originally 10 kids, but I don't know who the other 4 are. (Oh wait, Silky mentioned Marvin Prune, so I don't know the other 3).
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