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Post by babclayman on Oct 28, 2016 15:39:56 GMT -5
Belchic...That does some times happen, when an Animal appears in a Film, Belchic. With Zootopia, there was a high call for Fennick Foxes (the small one, that works with Nick) when it air in China, and it is also possible that the Beethoven Film got a call for St. Bernards, or that Lassie also does so with Collies!
However, What the heck are you on about it "Not seeing the light of day", considering that it does air on Television!?
You are acting like there is some kind of conspiracy on whether they air it or not!
You need to consider a number of things... One; The fact that they still air the; "101 Dalmatians" Films, and like to make Homages to it, a lot. Two; Considering how many shows Disney have, some times you are not able to find enoug room in the scheduel. Three; There are a number of othr Shows, that may not air at this time, so it's not as though "101 Dalmatians The Series" is being singld ot. Four; When Disney Junior frst startd to air, they choose to air; "101 Dalmatians The Series"! Five; When they did a Video, this Jly, about; "Celebrating Thirty-Two Years of; Disney Television Animation", they included a scene from; "101 Dalmatians The Series"! Six; It is likely, that Disney shall make; "101 Dalmatians The Series" avaliable to stream some where. Such as when they had; "A Christmas Cruella" avaliable to stream, on the Disney Channel App, for Christmas of 2015! Seven; The Disney Life App (which is like a Disney Netflx, which we have in the U K); when you look on Lucky's Page, the Page Qute is one of his lines in; "Chow About That?". This implies that they do intend to make it avaliable for Streaming!
It is not some kind of Conspiracy, Belchic! I am sure that they do intend to air it, they just need to find some where, which they can, like a Streaming Service, or if a time in the Scheduel opens up, You Know?
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Post by Two-Tone on Oct 29, 2016 16:23:54 GMT -5
Bab don't forget Taco Bell caused a craze for Chihuahuas too since they had one as their mascot. And you are right about the St. Bernard breed being popular cause of Beethoven and the Rough Collie when it came to Lassie, heck Rin Tin Tin caused a craze for German Shepard Dogs too. Even Air Bud is guilty of this since it made the Golden Retriever breed popular (still is thanks to the Air bud movies and the Buddies).
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Post by Belchic on Oct 29, 2016 16:27:30 GMT -5
I guess you can say The Secret Life of Pets has started the same craze with Jack Russel Terriers these days.
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Post by Belchic on Oct 31, 2016 11:25:51 GMT -5
Belchic...That does some times happen, when an Animal appears in a Film, Belchic. With Zootopia, there was a high call for Fennick Foxes (the small one, that works with Nick) when it air in China, and it is also possible that the Beethoven Film got a call for St. Bernards, or that Lassie also does so with Collies! Like Two-Tone said, when Taco Bell started airing a series of commercials with a talking chihuahua, chihuahuas became a must have dog then as well. Erm, bab? 101D hasn't aired on television in the last three years. Where are you getting that it still airs? What's the conspiracy here? I still have a feeling some of these "homages" you speak of are just assumptions you are making and are thinking too deep into it, but there are still plenty you are right on. Yeah, and Family Guy made a note of this once saying that more popular shows are more worthy entries to keep in the schedule. True. Disney had some shows that were even less successful than 101D, like "Schnookums & Meat" and "Nightmare Ned" for example. Still, the episodes were edited poorly, and half of them were missing! Though it could be possible those episodes got destroyed, so they probably just worked with what they had. Also, I told you numerous times why they chose to air that show on Disney Junior: THAT SHOW WAS MADE FOR YOUNG CHILDREN!!!!! If I may ask, bab: Where did you see this video? I never heard of such a thing happening. Also, I still have yet to see it on Netflix, iTunes, Hulu or Amazon. Though someone told me there is a cartoon website that has a lot of the episodes. Sounds to me like you're just jumping to conclusions here, and you accuse me of coming up with conspiracy theories. Well, none of the streaming services have ever streamed it as far as I know up to this day. I would say it could be due to lack of popularity, but there are still tons of popular shows that don't stream on Netflix like "PAW Patrol", and "Pound Puppies" is streaming even though that's not as popular as MLP. I still don't think this show will ever be shown streaming, nor will it play again on broadcast TV, nor will it give a DVD release. Here are my reasons why I say that: 1. It never was a popular show. 2. There really isn't an audience for it these days. 3. It's extremely dated. 4. It contradicts the movie on so many levels. 5. It has some material that may not be appropriate for kids today. (Remember, it was a different world back when that show was made, and television has revised their standards for what's appropriate for children since those days.) That's just what I gotta say on the matter, but I'm going off topic. This is about the live action film. If you want to see the video I speak of, it's right here: youtu.be/j-IkZ1lAVdwThey talk about the controversy from 1:47-2:38.
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Post by babclayman on Dec 28, 2016 16:33:34 GMT -5
I just realise that, two weeks ago, it ws the; Twentieth Aniversary of the; "Live Action" "101 Dalmatians"! o.o It is qute an Aniversary, Eh!? This year also has us hear that Glenn Close shall be Producer for a; Cruella Film, with Emma Stone as Cruella, so I do wonder if they did plan that News for the Twenty Year Aniversary, too? ;3 I do know, if you look up the Disney World Christmas Parade, for 1996, it does give some Behnd The Scenes scenes about the; "Live Action" "101 Dalmatians", alng with a sequence in the Parade about it. <3 youtu.be/fJkhHr2TiSY?t=32m21sYou Know about this Disney Parade Special, Pups? ;3
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Post by Belchic on Dec 28, 2016 19:18:17 GMT -5
I still believe the live action film doesn't deserve all the praise you guys tend to give it. I'm not saying it's the worst film ever made. I just don't like how they changed it so drastically with alternative scenes, no talking animals, and above all modernization. Now I know you guys keep telling me, "Modernization isn't always a bad thing." I hate to break it to you, but yes, it is. If you modernize a movie with technology and personalities of the time, years later, they would make the film seem irrelevant and dated. On top of that, they contradict the original story extremely. It would be like if I made a movie based on a story that takes place in the Victorian era, and I put giant killer robots in it! And don't tell me something like, "Well, Doctor Who and Back to the Future got away with it, so this is fine too." You need to look on the negative side of things as well as the positives. There's no point in saying everything you love is perfect. There needs to be some balance in there too you know.
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jan 3, 2017 18:41:01 GMT -5
Well, none of the streaming services have ever streamed it as far as I know up to this day. I would say it could be due to lack of popularity, but there are still tons of popular shows that don't stream on Netflix like "PAW Patrol", and "Pound Puppies" is streaming even though that's not as popular as MLP. I still don't think this show will ever be shown streaming, nor will it play again on broadcast TV, nor will it give a DVD release. Here are my reasons why I say that: 1. It never was a popular show. 2. There really isn't an audience for it these days. 3. It's extremely dated. 4. It contradicts the movie on so many levels. 5. It has some material that may not be appropriate for kids today. (Remember, it was a different world back when that show was made, and television has revised their standards for what's appropriate for children since those days.) That's just what I gotta say on the matter, but I'm going off topic. This is about the live action film. If you want to see the video I speak of, it's right here: youtu.be/j-IkZ1lAVdwThey talk about the controversy from 1:47-2:38. What is your standard for determining timelessness Belchic? Like babclayman and I say it's not a matter of lingo, attitudes, fashions, technology, etc. It's about wheter the characters continue to be meaningful and the stories can still work today. I remember reading on toonzone.net where one critic was reviewing the Littlest Pet Shop DVD called "Strike a Pose!" and he says "it doesn't help that some of these episodes already feel a bit dated, and that's largely because they deal with something extremely topical." On that one DVD there are at least two episodes where a lot of the humor comes from reality television and one episode is heavily about Internet memes--stuff that may fall by the wayside in 10 years and a lot the material would fall flat. If the series contradicts the movie? The Simpsons never had amazing continuity but that doesn't make it a bad show does it? And if it really was a matter of things like fashions or technology that dates something, 101 Dalmatians would be seen as dated for no reason other than the fact the characters are clearly watching black and white TV and they use rotary-dial phones!
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Post by Two-Tone on Jan 3, 2017 19:12:58 GMT -5
What is your standard for determining timelessness Belchic? Like babclayman and I say it's not a matter of lingo, attitudes, fashions, technology, etc. It's about wheter the characters continue to be meaningful and the stories can still work today. I remember reading on toonzone.net where one critic was reviewing the Littlest Pet Shop DVD called "Strike a Pose!" and he says "it doesn't help that some of these episodes already feel a bit dated, and that's largely because they deal with something extremely topical." On that one DVD there are at least two episodes where a lot of the humor comes from reality television and one episode is heavily about Internet memes--stuff that may fall by the wayside in 10 years and a lot the material would fall flat. If the series contradicts the movie? The Simpsons never had amazing continuity but that doesn't make it a bad show does it? And if it really was a matter of things like fashions or technology that dates something, 101 Dalmatians would be seen as dated for no reason other than the fact the characters are clearly watching black and white TV and they use rotary-dial phones! Exactly Trey, this is why the live action movie needed to be modernized to catch up with the times (in this case, the 90s) though the series was seen more as a mix of the movies and Dodie smith's novel (the novel elements being Cadpig and Patch's look, as well as the Dearly surname which was also used in the live action movie).
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Post by Belchic on Jan 4, 2017 18:03:36 GMT -5
Trey_Vore, stop trying to force me to change my opinions on things! I'm seriously getting fed up with you and babclayman not respecting my opinion and thinking that only yours matters! I don't bash you for not liking PAW Patrol, and I don't bash bab for not liking my quirk, so why must you insist on making me agree with your opinions all the time? Two-Tone: The movie did not NEED to be modernized! Just because it came out in the 90's doesn't mean it HAS to be set in the 90's! Tombstone was a 90's movie, but was that movie set in the 90's? No. It was set in the 1800's, like it should have been. Look, there is a reason why I'm not all for things being dated or modernized. First, modernization would make the franchise seem paradoxical. And yet you think it's perfectly fine to do that with 101 Dalmatians? Okay, I admit sometimes, there are times where modernization is necessary, but how they treated 101 Dalmatians just makes NO SENSE! Imagine if you were living in England in the 1500's, and then the next day, you wake up and suddenly, you're in Portland, Oregon in the 2010's, and you act as if nothing has changed. Let that sink in, and then tell me if that makes sense to you. As for stuff being dated, like I said, younger generations would be left confused if you do it that way. If you put in modern stuff, you take a risk of dating your source. A good example is The Jungle Book. Walt's original plan was to have the vultures near the end of the film sing a Beatles-esque rock song, but he knew that song would date the movie making it feel like it was stuck in the 60's, so that's why he changed it to a barber shop quartet song because that is a timeless style. Some movies go to the extreme to feel dated. A modern example would be Trolls. That movie is loaded with characters yelling "Yolo!" and singing modern pop songs, which definitely will date the movie for sure. Now granted, 101 Dalmatians didn't quite go that extreme, but does that automatically make the series timeless? NO! Like I said, the dated technology would confuse kids today giving them no clue what they are supposed to be looking at. Floppy disks are used in the series, and those became obsolete ten years ago! All I'm saying is certain technology and music would make something irrelevant and dated, and modernizing a franchise could not only date it but also put it at risk of feeling paradoxical. That is my opinion, and I am sticking with it! You guys can disagree with me all you want, but I will NOT be changing my mind!
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Post by Lucky on Jan 5, 2017 16:31:15 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight, Belchic, you'd rather them, be without anything that we have today?
Remember Belchic, no dogs talk irl, that's probably why that never happened in the film, but this attitude of yours isn't helping anything, I mean, you're not the only one who has opinions on this movie, you know.
So, I agree with Trey and Two-Tone, now hear me out, Belchic, not everyone in this generation has read the novel and Roger designing Video Games is very interesting to me since the first animated film has Roger designing his own music, I don't get why you're upset with this film, why you loathe the film so much that you have to snap at everyone that has an opinion that's different than yours.
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Post by Belchic on Jan 6, 2017 0:15:47 GMT -5
Well, consider this, Shawn: How would you feel if one of your favorite films of all time got remade, but it had so many extreme changes made to it? Now, I know remakes do have differences from the original, but the live action version of 101 Dalmatians didn't even keep the integrity of the animated classic! All they kept really were Roger and Anita along with Pongo and Perdita who have puppies, and Cruella De Vil wants to make the dogs into fur coats; other than that, there is absolutely nothing from the plot of the original.
Also, I am NOT mad because some people have a different opinion than me. The reason I'm so upset is because these people are not respecting MY opinion. This wouldn't be so much of an issue if these guys would just say, "Okay, Belchic. If you don't like the live action movie, that's fine. I respect that." But no! They're telling me I have to love the movie, and it's the law! How does that make ME the bad guy? They're the ones who are bashing me for having a different opinion than them, not the other way around.
As for my attitude, I should have every right to express myself however I want to. If I want to be angry, I should be allowed to blow off steam. I'm extremely stressed right now because I've had a lot of stress at work, I'm stressed about a bunch of other upcoming things I have that I can't get out of, plus my dad injured himself the other day. So you can understand why I had to blow my top a bit here. Though at least I didn't use any profanity or make death threats or anything like that.
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Post by Lucky on Jan 6, 2017 0:55:52 GMT -5
Well, consider this, Shawn: How would you feel if one of your favorite films of all time got remade, but it had so many extreme changes made to it? Now, I know remakes do have differences from the original, but the live action version of 101 Dalmatians didn't even keep the integrity of the animated classic! All they kept really were Roger and Anita along with Pongo and Perdita who have puppies, and Cruella De Vil wants to make the dogs into fur coats; other than that, there is absolutely nothing from the plot of the original. Also, I am NOT mad because some people have a different opinion than me. The reason I'm so upset is because these people are not respecting MY opinion. This wouldn't be so much of an issue if these guys would just say, "Okay, Belchic. If you don't like the live action movie, that's fine. I respect that." But no! They're telling me I have to love the movie, and it's the law! How does that make ME the bad guy? They're the ones who are bashing me for having a different opinion than them, not the other way around. As for my attitude, I should have every right to express myself however I want to. If I want to be angry, I should be allowed to blow off steam. I'm extremely stressed right now because I've had a lot of stress at work, I'm stressed about a bunch of other upcoming things I have that I can't get out of, plus my dad injured himself the other day. So you can understand why I had to blow my top a bit here. Though at least I didn't use any profanity or make death threats or anything like that. Meh, it would be pretty interesting to see the 101 Dalmatians get remade again, regardless of the changes, like maybe we can see Roger as a story writer this time. It sure sounds like it, Bel, I mean, we all have a different opinion, but you seem to take it as a curse that we have to agree with you, and that's what I saw today, you snapping at Trey and Two-Tone because of their own opinions, but I enjoyed the live action 101 Dalmatians Film, even if you didn't. To be honest, I can understand the stress and I can understand that your dad got injured, but that doesn't give you the right to lash out at Trey and Two-Tone like you did, they didn't do anything wrong, and no you didn't do things like that, I don't really mind the changes, look at the Iron Man Comics, the origin story started in the Vietnam War, but in the Iron Man Film it started in Afghanistan, I'm not upset about that, but I can honestly say that I want to say that without this Live Action Film, there wouldn't have been a 101 Dalmatians TV Series, there wouldn't have been a Sparky's. You wouldn't be able to make posts like this to this very day on a Proboards, our characters probably wouldn't have been created without it. I respect your opinion Belchic, but you've got to respect ours too, just because you don't like the film, doesn't mean we don't have to like it, but to answer your question, Belchic, it's already happened, 101 Dalmatians (Live Action), Iron Man, all the others, now think Belchic, think back to when there was an argument over Disney/Marvel and Fox having the rights to Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch, don't you think Disney did the same with this film, by instead of going old style, they wanted to go with the modern look. All I can say Belchic is that just be glad Michael Bay didn't get his hands on this film. *Looks back at the Transformers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.* I'd say that it would've been a flop.
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Post by Belchic on Jan 6, 2017 10:12:04 GMT -5
Shawn, I thought I made myself perfectly clear in my last two posts! I am NOT in any way, shape or form saying that you have to agree with my opinion! All I'm asking is that YOU respect my opinion and not force me to agree with yours all the time! Seriously, you got the whole thing reversed! It seems to me like nobody on this board ever reads my posts carefully enough, and that frustrates me just as much.
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Post by Lucky on Jan 6, 2017 17:05:27 GMT -5
Look, what I mean in my last post is that I respect your opinion, I'm not forcing you to like the movie that you don't like, it'd be if I liked the Super Mario Bros. Film, the worst film like the Last Airbender and I made you sit down and watch it with me even though you despised the movie, which is not me, never will be me.
I will not force people into doing anything that they don't want to do, I'm not here to tell you to like the film, I'm not here to give you a slap in the face because you hate the film, just like you, I have my opinions too, if you want to talk about this and think well, Shawn/Lucky is being hateful toward me, I think I better have him apologize to me, I know your autistic, I know that and I don't hate you for it, I don't hate that you have a different opinion on the film.
Not everyone is going to like the 101 Dalmatians Films, Novels, TV Series, etc.. A friend and I have different opinions of an Anime, and I respect that he doesn't like it, but I do enjoy that he gives me a chance to watch different kinds of Anime, in other words.
Now with this post --> Shawn, I thought I made myself perfectly clear in my last two posts! I am NOT in any way, shape or form saying that you have to agree with my opinion! All I'm asking is that YOU respect my opinion and not force me to agree with yours all the time! Seriously, you got the whole thing reversed! It seems to me like nobody on this board ever reads my posts carefully enough, and that frustrates me just as much.
Where in my last two posts that I say YOU have to agree with mine, TT's and Trey's opinion? I'm not saying you have to agree, but you haven't said to Trey and TT including me that you respect our opinions either, Bel, I mean just because the Animals don't talk in this film and it's sequel, doesn't mean that they probably won't in the next film.
And if you think I'm forcing you to do something you don't want to do, then you're wrong, I don't expect you to agree with my opinions I don't expect you to like this movie. I don't know where you're getting it that I want you to agree with me or anyone else.
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Post by Belchic on Jan 6, 2017 18:07:30 GMT -5
Shawn, when I said "you" in my last post, I wasn't talking directly at you. I was talking about everyone on this board in general. There are select people on this board like Trey and babclayman who tend to get into arguments with me whenever I show a negative reaction towards something that they like. Those are the people I'm talking about, not you personally. It's people like those that I've mentioned who are not respecting my opinion.
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