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Post by babclayman on Sept 26, 2015 18:29:48 GMT -5
Isn'; Star V The Forces Of Evl, a Disney Show, though, Two-Tone?
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Sept 26, 2015 18:31:22 GMT -5
Yeah, it likely is the writers. Now that I think about it, you wonder if it's a case of.
"Hey, Nickelodeon made a bad spinoff of Jimmy Neutron and that show is still going, maybe we can do a terrible remake of Teen Titans, f*ck with its audience and still keep it going cause NOBODY who watches Cartoon Network will get it. We could do absolutely nothing on research and we'd still get paid plenty."
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Post by Two-Tone on Sept 26, 2015 19:37:44 GMT -5
well Lupus the writers did admit they never watched the original Teen Titans series which does explain why the characters in TTG are ridiculously OOC.
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Sept 26, 2015 20:13:16 GMT -5
lazy a**holes. Do some dang research before you go and write something up with the topic having past relevance.
That'd be like trying to make Hellboy, Spawn, or...the Punisher, or even Judge Dredd into something as comedic or light-hearted as....Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, with ONE moment of darkness and oddity. IT DOESN'T WORK!
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Post by babclayman on Sept 26, 2015 20:16:06 GMT -5
I hear that they were jking there, but a case in point can be; When making the Secnd Star Trek Film, the Director look at ech Episode of the Show, to see how they act.
With this Show, it sometimes seems like, they know of the Show, but try to annoy the audience, like One Episode, where they see what their futur may be like.
Also, Doesn' the Tunnel Scene, in Wilder's Wonk Film count as a Dark scene, Lupus?
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Sept 26, 2015 20:21:24 GMT -5
It IS a dark scene, that's the point. I did mention several real gritty or dark and dramatic comic IPs that are overall dark, and have some comedy thrown into them, (especially Hellboy's live-action films), but to do flip it around and have it bright and colorful and 'fun', with a dark moment in it, like with the Wilder Wonka film, would be atrocious.
If someone did that, I'm sure LOTS of folks, including myself, would agree that they should die or lose almost all they have for such a terrible decision.
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Post by babclayman on Sept 26, 2015 20:32:40 GMT -5
That is a bit extreme, Lupus. I wouldn' wish something that dark on them.
Also, there is nothing wrong, with having Dark scenes, in more postve films, it comes to finding a Balance.
Able to calm, a bit, Lupus?
May I ask, do You Know, what is the Show, with the Female Focus, Pups? ;3
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Sept 26, 2015 20:36:16 GMT -5
I know they're nothing wrong with having dark scenes in a positive film, (I love the Wilder Wonka film), but when the IP is already, overall dark as hell....you must be insane, sadistic, or masochistic to flip it around completely and turn it into a bright and cheerful comedy with a moment of darkness.
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Post by Snivinerior on Oct 30, 2015 19:44:35 GMT -5
I know everybody already knows this but this show is a mockery to the original. It isn't even funny at all. I also know it is meant to be comedic but I'm afraid it isn't doing its job very well. They shouldn't have created this sh*tty series in the first place.
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Post by babclayman on Oct 30, 2015 20:14:08 GMT -5
Like I claim too, There are Episodes, in the Titans Show, which practically inslt those who like the older Titans Show! The; Return Of Slade Episode is one Large Inslt to those who compare this Show to the Oldr Titan Show.
The factor of how they have Episodes like; The Titans discuss how to use the Bath Room or the Titans cheting at a Ball Game, they do more dark things, than the antagonists, they battle with.
I have to question; Do the ones, who make this Show, ever consider having them do; Hero Work, in their...You Know...Hero Show?
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jan 6, 2016 10:29:55 GMT -5
Having given this series more than a fair shake, here's my thoughts on it.
To confirm what Belchic says, yes, I am indeed a fan of the 2003 series Teen Titans. That show I considered to a rare gem in a sea of forgettable junk at the start of the new millennium. I even subscribed to the "Teen Titans Go!" comic book which was being published by Johnny DC during the original series' run. So you know if you look in issue #31 they actually included a pic in the fan letters that I personally submitted, not lying. So I was happy to hear the show would be coming back in some way.
Put lightly I don't think this show is goddawful as I'm sure little kids will like it. But I will say it's very disappointing.
For one thing the original series wasn't all hard knuckle action; it could be funny as well and that helped make it so memorable; Teen Titans was all about balance.
However I imagine this series is supposed to be what the Titans are doing when not fighting crime. Problem is I know the classic series wasn't the deepest, most psychologically analytical show ever but they at the very least tried to humanize the characters; on this series they are more or less cartoon characters doing everyday activities which get blown out of proportion (like there's not enough of those).
Then there's the voice acting. I appreciate the fact the original VAs from the classic series--Scott Menville, Tara Strong, Greg Cipes, Hynden Walch and Khary Payton--among others, returned to voice the characters. But... something doesn't seem right. Namely the fact that while the characters sound very much like they originally did, it seems like despite being more of a comedy series than action, this show, with the exact same voices, actually is supposed to be seen under the exact same light as the 2003 series. It's like when you watch the 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, you had the same characters, but they obviously have different voices to go with the more action-feel. If the Turtles sounded exactly like how they did in the 80s cartoon, it would just fall flat.
Then there's what they did with the characters.
In the 2003 series:
Robin was a hero who would brood over not being perfect but valued his teammates. Starfire was an alien princess who crushed on Robin and was the team's heart. Cyborg was a team player who brooded over his cybernetic limitations but was not against being fun or making jokes. Beast Boy was comedy relief but could take a level in badass when the need called for it. Raven was a human/demon hybrid who did have a soft side.
In Teen Titans Go!:
Robin is a power-obsessed tyrant and needs everything to go his way. Starfire acts like a foreign exchange student and nothing she learns ever seems to stick. Cyborg and Beast Boy are more or less interchangeable--they're just one character in two different bodies. Raven gets it worst in that she is allowed to be a lot more expressive and nothing more than a strawman.
Long story short, I don't hate this series and little kids will probably like it. But it almost seems like an insult towards the classic series.
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Post by babclayman on Jan 6, 2016 11:02:15 GMT -5
It is an insult, Trey.
Like we claim here, there is an Episode of the nwer show called; "Return Of Slade". The first minute builds up Slade, as in a large antagonist, of the 2003 Show, but then all their action with Slade is made off screen, and the ACTUAL Story of the Episode is basically them getting a Clown, that Beast Boy and Cyborg like, when they were younger.
It was pretty clear to see that, the Episode was one large finger to those who compare the nwer show, to the 2003 show. With a Hook of bringing an Antagonist, those who like the 2003, may watch the Episode for, and then have him NOT appear, and have Raven be like "You like the Clown, cause you were younger, and clowns are for babies!"
It was basically them saying; "The 2003 Show is bad, and you are bad for watching Animation!". Despite the fact that CN has an Advert claiming "Fourty-Seven Percent of our Audience is adult, and that is not a bad thing!"
So, not only does it insult those who like the 2003 Show, but also Older Viewers, who like Animation, despite the fact that there is nothing wrong in those in an older group, watching Animation!
Walt Disney claims; "You're Ded, if you only aim for Children! Adults are only oldr children any way." Or Pixar; "We do not make films, for Children, but we do not exclude them." Or, as C. S. Lewis claims; "A Children's Story, that can only be enjoyed by Children, is not a good Children's Story."
And, Just show it may be a Show, for a Younger Audience, is no excuse not to have any depth to your Show. Considering how there are shows, today, like Gravity Falls, Star V The Forces Of Evil, My Little Pony, and more, which are shows, which can be watched and enjoy by any viewer!
Also, Clowns are not just for a Younger Audience, any one who does Comedy can be consider a Clown, and we have a thing called; Cirque Eu Soleil!
In the case of this Nwer Titans Show, though, I think one can claim; "If your only line of defence is claiming there is something wrong, with your Critics, do us a favour and label yourself as an Idiot, so we'll know to ask someone, who may actually have a point."
You can see why some may have anger to this show, Trey?
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Jan 20, 2016 12:19:59 GMT -5
So if the creators are blaming the viewrrs, fans of the original series, for not liking the show, even though these creators are trying to not give any true effort...that would make them the Uwe Boll of CN's creators wouldn't it? In case you don't know, Boll is behind many video game movies but never ready puts effort into his "work". He's knows his films suck but he denies it by blaming the cast and crew OR, for critics, fighting them in a boxing ring and...this far, knocking them all out into submission. Perhaps his only good film is Rampage which is not based on a game...but one could say Hatred is based on it.
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Post by Shawn on Jan 20, 2016 18:19:29 GMT -5
I've noticed that Episode you are talking about, Bab and I agree with TT on this, the episode is a bait and switch, since it makes you think it will focus on Slade and he's one of my favorite villains since he's voiced by Ron Perlman and we all know who he starred as in a particular film, if not, look it up.
The episode makes you think that Slade has returned but the Titans take him out offscreen so they hire a villainous Clown, makes me wonder why they didn't hire the Joker when they were going this route, we don't get to see Slade, however from what I've read, the only thing is that he is going to make an Appearance, I hope, BUT Ron Perlman won't be returning to reprise his role, only David Kaye will be voicing him in the Teen Titans Go! TV Series.
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Post by babclayman on Jan 20, 2016 19:48:02 GMT -5
It's cause the Clown is suppose to be a thin disguise for the 2003 Show.
Though, on that case, it wouldn' surprise me if this Titan Show is set in the Frank Miller Universe, Eh?
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