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Post by Belchic on Jan 16, 2018 23:52:28 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter how long we wait before a sequel is made. Just the fact that it’s happening at all is going against Disney’s own rules. Considering we have a sequel to Wreck-It Ralph, as well as Frozen and Zootopia coming, it’s quite clear that Disney has become a paradoxical studio...a balatant parody of themselves proving to be no better than its competitors.
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Post by babclayman on Jan 17, 2018 9:07:48 GMT -5
My point is, Belchic; Since 2010, Dremworks has made SIX Sequels, with Four more planned for the next three years! In that Same Time, Illumination has made Three, with Four more in the next two years! Blue Sky themselves having made Three Sequels, in that time, too! W B themselves shall have aird Four Lego Sequels, by next year!
So, My point is; Disney having onl Two Sequels in the Works sounds tame in comparison!
With help from some Films having a Cinematic Universe, we are also living in a time where a Sequel is not as Tabo as it may have been, between the Seventies and Two-Thousands.
You see my point, Belchic?
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jan 17, 2018 9:20:08 GMT -5
Pixar was opposed to making sequels too but they had to face the nature of the business.
Everyone wants to make a franchise now; just like what they are doing with the Marvel universe (albeit the fact it's not as easy as it may look--compare what Disney had done with Marvel and Star Wars as opposed to Universal's "Dark Universe" which seems all but scrapped).
Between making a follow-up to an existing film that a lot of people liked and risk making a new movie that could very well bomb sequels are just cheaper and easier to make.
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Post by RaceFanX on Jan 17, 2018 19:15:23 GMT -5
"Why must Disney jump on the sequel bandwagon? And don’t tell me it’s for more money or continuing the story. The Disney Animated Features are meant to be independent films, not franchise films!...It doesn’t matter how long we wait before a sequel is made. Just the fact that it’s happening at all is going against Disney’s own rules."
I don't see making sequels as being an issue given how most of Disney's animated films are always based off something; if it wasn't a prior movie than many were based on existing stories be they fairy tales (Snow White, Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty), myths (Robin Hood, Hercules), or books (101 Dalmatians, Sword in the Stone, Dumbo, Black Cauldron). They've done sequels in the animated canon before too (Rescuers Down Under) so it's not like they are treading new ground there. The times have changed and major franchises are something studios seek, many audiences these days (especially overseas) want to see their favorite characters return for another adventure. Plus a money a likely surefire hit like "Wreck-It Ralph 2" will bring in can be used to make more experimental films down the road. Pixar was glad to make sequels as it cleared the way for stuff like "UP!" and "Coco," sticking with them funds from sequel hits like "Monsters University" also help out when an original film bombs out like "The Good Dinosaur" did.
Disney has always been a company that made sequels. "The Absent-Minded Professor" and its followup "Son of Flubber" were even made while Walt still called the shots. While Walt Disney wasn't a big fan of sequels he still had WANTED them for some of his films like "101 Dalmatians" and "Mary Poppins" but one reason or another they didn't work out (For the former Dodie Smith didn't have any ideas for a second story, for the latter P.L. Travers hated how his Mary film came out and wouldn't give him the rights for more). Given how often Disney re-released its animated films in the past though they were certainly fond of brand familiarity though, how is making another new movie instead of releasing an old one a bad idea?
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Post by babclayman on Jan 17, 2018 19:29:37 GMT -5
In a way too; not onl is Herbie Rides Again a Sequel to; The Love Bug, it is also a Sequel to Absnt Minded Professor, as the Antagonist of both is Alonzo Hawk! That be a possible; Disney Cinematic Universe, Eh?
I also know that Walt was opn to doing more with Dodie Smith; however, things got really bsy with the two. I think, if what I remember of the Piece on the; "101 Dalmatians" D V D is correct, Dodie Smith did consider an idea about Mouse, I think.
In the case of; P. L. Travers, I think she is on record some where, claiming that the Mary Poppins Film is good, but she was concern about how it represntd her Books. Though, She did have more contrl, when it cme to the; "Musical" and I hear; Mary Poppins Returns shall be Closr to the Books, too.
I can understand what Race & Trey mean, though. Like Walt Disney claims; "We don' make Movies to make Money, we make Money to make more Movies". You can understand that case, Eh?
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jan 21, 2018 4:37:05 GMT -5
Sequels can actually be helpful due to brand familiarity.
After all, you can do an original film but there's no way of knowing it will work out for the best, after all look at what happened to Mars Needs Moms.
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Post by Belchic on Jan 21, 2018 12:32:13 GMT -5
First of all, Trey, I don’t know why you must keep trying to push that Mars Needs Moms is the worst Animated Film ever made. That’s not a fact. That’s just your bloody opinion!
Second, while what you say about sequels may be true, the same can’t be said for Disney. Their animated canon are meant to be independent films, not franchise films. I mean, yes, a lot of the films did get sequels, but those were made by DisneyToon and were DTV, so those were different. While I know The Rescuers Down Under and Fantasia 2000 are part of the cannon, both of those movies flopped and were quickly forgotten about. As for The Three Caballeros, I don’t consider it a sequel, so disqualified!
Look, My point is, by doing sequels to their animated features, I’m just afraid that Disney is going to hurt their reputation. Walt Disney hated sequels, and John Lassiter himself proposed that the company should no longer make sequels to the animated features. Yet now they’re doing it again? Also if you look at their lineup, all they have lined up for the features are nothing but sequels: Wreck-It Ralph, Frozen, Zootopia...and I’m sure we’ll also be seeing sequels to Moana, Tangled and Big Hero 6 as well. Of course I could say the same for Bolt and The Princess and the Frog, which I wouldn’t mind seeing sequels to if they keep up this habit, but I know those are never going to happen.
So is this what the future holds for Walt Disney Feature Animation now? Nothing but sequels? In that case, I’m just going to say we are now entering the Era #8 for these features. I’m going to call this “The Sequel Era”.
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Post by RaceFanX on Jan 21, 2018 15:42:23 GMT -5
"Walt Disney hated sequels"
Doing things "just like Walt" isn't necessarily a good idea. In the 1970s Disney had a "what would Walt do" attitude and it almost sank their entire company. Their company stagnated and they were almost taken over by corporate raiders in the early 1980s to the point Roy Disney almost stepped in to buy the studio to save it at the price of selling off some of their theme parks. Plus look at the stuff Disney turned out in the late 1970s-early 1980s, much of it underperforming and almost all of it now forgotten (Gus, The Cat from Outer Space, Condorman, The Last Flight of Noah's Ark). Some of the stuff that did succeed in that period was their sequels (the Herbie the Love Bug films for example).
It was only when they STOPPED towing the line they figured Walt would want and brought in new leadership to go in a new direction, specifically hiring Paramount's Michael Eisner, and putting more effort into their films that they were able to start righting the ship.
"and John Lassiter himself proposed that the company should no longer make sequels to the animated features"
That was in reference to stopping production of those cheaper, unnecessary direct-to-DVD sequels not full theatrical ones. Plus admittedly Lassiter's name and reputation are rather tarnished for the moment so the time might be right again to change things up a bit not that there's going to be three roosters in the hen house (Disney, Pixar, and possibly Blue Sky).
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Post by Belchic on Jan 21, 2018 17:41:03 GMT -5
I’d like to add on to what you said, Race:
In 1976, when VHS tapes started to become a thing, Disney had no plans to release any of their movies on VHS, because Walt didn’t want any of his movies to be shown on the small screen. It wasn’t until the mid 80’s when they started doing that because they were in a financial slump at the time, and the sales helped make the company a lot of money.
As for John Lassiter, are you saying just because he’s out of the mix because of his current reputation, that makes it perfectly okay to go against his rules?
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Post by Lucky on Jan 21, 2018 18:31:45 GMT -5
I highly doubt that's what Race is saying, Belchic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 14:12:58 GMT -5
First of all, Trey, I don’t know why you must keep trying to push that Mars Needs Moms is the worst Animated Film ever made. That’s not a fact. That’s just your bloody opinion! Second, while what you say about sequels may be true, the same can’t be said for Disney. Their animated canon are meant to be independent films, not franchise films. I mean, yes, a lot of the films did get sequels, but those were made by DisneyToon and were DTV, so those were different. While I know The Rescuers Down Under and Fantasia 2000 are part of the cannon, both of those movies flopped and were quickly forgotten about. As for The Three Caballeros, I don’t consider it a sequel, so disqualified! Look, My point is, by doing sequels to their animated features, I’m just afraid that Disney is going to hurt their reputation. Walt Disney hated sequels, and John Lassiter himself proposed that the company should no longer make sequels to the animated features. Yet now they’re doing it again? Also if you look at their lineup, all they have lined up for the features are nothing but sequels: Wreck-It Ralph, Frozen, Zootopia...and I’m sure we’ll also be seeing sequels to Moana, Tangled and Big Hero 6 as well. Of course I could say the same for Bolt and The Princess and the Frog, which I wouldn’t mind seeing sequels to if they keep up this habit, but I know those are never going to happen. So is this what the future holds for Walt Disney Feature Animation now? Nothing but sequels? In that case, I’m just going to say we are now entering the Era #8 for these features. I’m going to call this “The Sequel Era”. I love Rescuers Down Under =p and I haven't forgotten it.
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Post by babclayman on Jan 22, 2018 17:57:05 GMT -5
We have some Information, about; Incredibles II, Pups!
We have a Cast for who shall be in it, as well as some nw Characters!
Since it's been more than Fourteen Years, since Incredibles, that means Dash needs a Voice. So; Huck Milner shall be; Dash. Bob Odenkirk, known as Saul in Breking Bad, and Bettr Call Saul, shall be Winston Deavor, a Head of a Tele Communication, who supports Supers and wants to see them retrn. Catherine Keener shall be his Sister; Evelyn. Jonathan Banks, who is Filbrick Pines in Gravity Flls, and Varian's Father in; Tangled The Series, shall be Rick Dcker, who is the Agent, who helps the Parr Family. Sophia Bush, who is Brooke in One Tree Hill, shall be; Voyd, a Super and Elasta Girl Fn Girl, who has the power to creat Vois. Isabella Rossellini shall also be am Ambassadr, trying to represnt Supers, too.
So, it does seem that we have some knwn names, as part of the Sequel, Pups!
What you think of the cast, Pups?
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Post by Belchic on Jan 23, 2018 22:41:03 GMT -5
Toy Story 4 May be delayed because of all the stuff that was going on behind the scenes and all.
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Post by babclayman on Jan 24, 2018 10:40:55 GMT -5
What I hear is; They Originall planned for Toy Story IV to be this year, but it's been movd to 2019, now.
I think part of it was that they chnged the Director of Toy Story IV, some when during the Summer. Josh Cooley was the Co Director, but now he is the fll Director.
It does make me wonder. Do you think the Story is still them looking for Bo Peep, or has the Story chnged, like how Toy Story III was originall about Buzz getting recalld, and the Toys heading to Taiwan to rescue him? What you think, Pups?
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Post by Belchic on Jan 24, 2018 12:10:46 GMT -5
The story is usually the case with Pixar, but I don’t think that’s the case this time, bab. From what I’ve heard, it’s because they’ve been changing directors, and this was mostly caused by the whole John Lassiter debates that were going around this past November.
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