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Post by babclayman on Aug 28, 2018 17:01:51 GMT -5
Belchic, Why must you always be insistent on being negative about every thing? You get like that with whether some thing is dated, despite the fact that we tell you it's not an issue for us, and now this!? What is your obession in the need to feel negative about some thing?
Zootopia is still a VERY good Film, with good Characters and Story, with a strong message, and one nit picking Video is not going to change how we feel about that!
The Twist Antagonist also works, cause when you watch the Film again, you notice that the clues are there, so it's not like the twist is pulled it out of no where! Cases in point; The Sugar Rush Castle, in "Wreck-It Ralph", has a Pink Colour Scheme, and despite Turbo insisting it's Salmon, it implies that Vanellope is actually the Princess of the Game; the "Love Is An Open Door" Musical Piece, in Frozen, foreshadows Hans intents with Anna; and Bellweather's attitudes and plans are set up during Zootopia.
We enjoy the Films and Shows, we watch, Belchic! Why can you not get over that, Belchic!?
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Aug 28, 2018 17:17:26 GMT -5
Twist villains can be interesting, (like in Zootopia and Frozen on first-viewing or even Wreck-It Ralph).
I think the Twist villain is sort of a means to develop the protagonist more; after all when we had a distinct villain the screentime would be shared with the protagonist AND the villain; charming as some may have been.
Yes, they aren't as good cause they're not as developed, whether in reason or origin. But sometimes even a prominent villain is nowhere as detailed or developed as maybe Bellwether or such, (evil Queen for example or Radcliffe).
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Post by Belchic on Aug 28, 2018 17:50:02 GMT -5
Belchic, Why must you always be insistent on being negative about every thing? You get like that with whether some thing is dated, despite the fact that we tell you it's not an issue for us, and now this!? What is your obession in the need to feel negative about some thing? Zootopia is still a VERY good Film, with good Characters and Story, with a strong message, and one nit picking Video is not going to change how we feel about that! The Twist Antagonist also works, cause when you watch the Film again, you notice that the clues are there, so it's not like the twist is pulled it out of no where!Cases in point; The Sugar Rush Castle, in "Wreck-It Ralph", has a Pink Colour Scheme, and despite Turbo insisting it's Salmon, it implies that Vanellope is actually the Princess of the Game; the "Love Is An Open Door" Musical Piece, in Frozen, foreshadows Hans intents with Anna; and Bellweather's attitudes and plans are set up during Zootopia. We enjoy the Films and Shows, we watch, Belchic! Why can you not get over that, Belchic!? babclayman, I don’t understand why you always have to be so insistent on everything being the greatest thing in the world since sliced bread! I also don’t understand why you must always have a meltdown whenever I say something the slightest bit negative about something you like. I am NOT saying that I dislike it, and I am NOT saying that you are forbidden to like it! Seriously bab, don’t you think you’re being a little extreme on something? It’s like if I make a small criticism on one of your drawings, and you take it as if I’m telling you to kill yourself! Let me start off by saying Zootopia does NOT have a strong story. The plot is inconsistent, the mood is inconsistent, and Judy and Nick get way too much spotlight as opposed to the other characters. The twist villain of Wreck-It Ralph doesn’t bother me. In that case, it makes perfect sense and works very well. With Frozen, it could have been executed better. With Zootopia, this was the point where I thought Disney and Pixar were going overboard with it. They don’t have to have surprise twist villains in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE THAT THEY DO! Anyway, I don’t know where you get the idea that we are able to figure out throughout the movie that Bellwether is the villain. There is absolutely no way to tell that she’s the villain. She’s always very nice, we never learn about her motivations, and she even helps Judy and Nick with their mission! Yet in the last ten minutes of the film, she just suddenly appears out of nowhere and becomes a completely different character! Even fans of the movie have told me that she’s forgettable as a villain. Now, seriously, bab, all I wanted to do was explain why I’m not a big fan of twist villains. I am NOT forcing anybody to side with me! I just want them to understand how I feel and RESPECT MY OPINION! You, on the other hand, NEVER respect my opinion, and no matter how many times I try to explain myself to you, I can never seem to get it through your thick skull! Yet you tell me to respect other people’s opinions all the time, which makes you a flat out hypocrite! Seriously, bab, I am sick of you always trying to make me look like the bad guy all the time! Is it really a crime or a sin to share a different opinion about something? I really think you need therapy, bab. Me expressing a different opinion than you in a negative way is no big deal, yet you always make it sound worse than it is! IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!! Okay, that’s enough of this discussion. Let’s get back to discussing Pixar.
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Aug 28, 2018 17:58:13 GMT -5
In fact, I'm just gonna say it.
Considering how you seem to strive to pick apart or be such a bratty, whiny pessimist about something SOMEONE else may *gasp* ENJOY?!
I can imagine how you'd be over a film or serial like Flash Gordon from 1980 "It's campy, cheesy, and heavily dated so it's stupid and far from perfect!" Our response: THAT'S THE POINT! THAT'S WHY WE LIKE IT!
TL;DR Act like an idiot, you'll be treated like an idiot, but in your case...considering how often you flip over VERY miniscule details or in this case are going off of ONE Negative-nancy's video to boost your opinion about something most others here enjoy to varying degrees.....I question if you're merely playing the fool, or you ARE A fool/idiot.
A Disney, no....Cinematic villain can be prominent, and still have NO Development beyond face value or bland motives of jealousy and ego, (see The Evil Queen for that), or just pure conquest for no reason, (see Hades for that).
A twist villain can have a background or fairly-deep motives for what they do, and be a good twist in the end, (like Stinky Pete or Waternoose...though to be fair with a name like Water-NOOSE or his tone of voice, it should be obvious in hindsight).
The reversal can obviously be the same though, twist villains can be meh, (Ernesto admittedly; charm...but nothing to him really other than a desire for fame and fortune both in and after life), and prominent villains can be developed, (Gaston or Frollo).
And bear in mind, Belchic… Nothing is objectively perfect, especially if it's made by an objectively imperfect being. A cinematic masterpiece like say...idk, Wizard of Oz or a novel like Les Miserables is only perfect subjective cause humans feel it is perfect and even then not everyone will deem it perfect.
I very much enjoyed Zootopia but imo...the closest-to-PERFECT Disney movie in contemporary years, was Inside Out. And yet...guess what? No villain, (Joy could be considered the villain at times but she really wasn't she was just doing what she felt was right).
So shut up...as if you know what you're remotely talking about, without even bothering to consider multiple perspectives or the idea that even prominent villains can be bland or basic.
PS: Maybe Judy Hopps and nick get so much Screentime because...MAYBE...just MAAAAYBEEEE the movie is ABOUT THE TWO *MAIN* CHARACTERS, in addition to the world around them.
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Post by Sweeney Terrier on Aug 28, 2018 18:02:39 GMT -5
And also.... Belchic, allow me to quote you.
"I just came across this interesting video.
youtu.be/FSmcGuPQi0A
I think Lucky, Trey_Vore, Sweeney Terrier and babclayman should take a look at it so that you can understand my disliking towards surprise twist villains.
Oh, and let me also make myself perfectly clear here...
*clears throat*
ZOOTOPIA IS NOT A PERFECT MOVIE!!!!!!!!!! GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!"
Your call-out on us, in addition to your dialogue, and again...utilizing a video who tends to only see the negativity in this stuff, (mind you some of these villains are anything BUT twist villains unless your perception to use Fallout terms is 0)...because you agree with their views which are close-minded to begin with, (he must HATE Bond villains if he hates Hans or you know it's not like a comic relief has been plot-relevant before in a Disney movie), yeah...that definitely proves YOU are in the right in the remote part cause not like you provoked us by calling us out or especially Bab.
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Post by Belchic on Aug 28, 2018 18:52:58 GMT -5
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:
I AM JUST EXPRESSING MY OPINION!
I am NOT trying to convince anyone that my opinion is better, I am NOT trying to tell anybody that I’m right and they’re wrong, and I most certainly am NOT calling anybody here an idiot!
I just want people to accept the fact that I have a different opinion than them. I tend to get really frustrated whenever I try to do that, and babclayman always takes it the wrong way and makes such a big deal out of it.
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Post by Lucky on Aug 28, 2018 19:37:22 GMT -5
Belchic I have to agree with Lupus and Bab on this one, what you did was uncalled for. "ZOOTOPIA ISN'T A PERFECT MOVIE!!! GET THE HELL OVER IT!!!" Sounds like you're calling us out to me, but keep in mind, there are films that my dad has seen and I'm pretty sure Lupus may have seen some of the films, if not clips of films that Alfred Hitchcock made, where the Antagonist isn't known till the climax of the films and people back then loved those films. Are you saying that we shouldn't have stuff like this, to this day? But I have to agree, that you are acting like this is a bad thing, that we shouldn't have anything like this in movies. Beauty and the Beast actually pulled this off quite well, as we see Gaston as the Good Guy and Beast as the Bad Guy until. *Gasp, forbid this to happen.* They switched roles near the end of the film. What Bab, Lupus and I are saying is, we like the idea of a surprise villain, it makes the films interesting than it would if we got to see who was pulling the strings at the start.
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Post by babclayman on Aug 28, 2018 20:25:55 GMT -5
My view about an Antagonist is; There is nothing wrong with Knowing who the Antagonist is up front; but there is also nothing wrong with a Twist Antagonist, either. Both of them work in their own ways and both are equally as valid as the other. I am not going to judge a Film cause the antagonist is a twist, and I am not going to judge a Film for telling me who the antagonist is up front, either.
Each Antagonist, whether they are a twist or not, is good and memorable in their own unique ways; be it their Attitude, their Design, Their Mannerisms, their Motives, their Performance, their Personality or their Plans.
The Films are still good, as are the Characters and Story, and each antagonist works well in the Story they are part of. That is an understandable case, Eh!?
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Post by Lucky on Aug 28, 2018 20:28:40 GMT -5
My view about an Antagonist is; There is nothing wrong with Knowing who the Antagonist is up front; but there is also nothing wrong with a Twist Antagonist, either. Both of them work in their own ways and both are equally as valid as the other. I am not going to judge a Film cause the antagonist is a twist, and I am not going to judge a Film for telling me who the antagonist is up front, either. Each Antagonist, whether they are a twist or not, is good and memorable in their own unique ways; be it their Attitude, their Design, Their Mannerisms, their Motives, their Performance, their Personality or their Plans. The Films are still good, as are the Characters and Story, and each antagonist works well in the Story they are part of. That is an understandable case, Eh!? Yep, it is.
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Post by Belchic on Aug 28, 2018 20:39:50 GMT -5
Look, I can see both sides of the story. I can see how teist villains can work. My point is, I think Disney and Pixar has been putting them in their films way too often nowadays. Am I saying they should get rid of them all together? No. Not at all. I just want them to go easy on it for a while. It needs a rest. Though Disney did say they are not going to have any more obvious villains anymore in their films. The last villain we’ve had was Mother Gothel, and since then, all films after that have only had either twist villains or none at all.
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Post by Belchic on Oct 1, 2018 12:49:14 GMT -5
So in a recent interview with Tim Allen, he says that Toy Story 4 is still a go for next summer, and he has been seriously mind-blown by it in a positive way. It sounds to me like this one is going to surpass TS3! Looks like my prediction was right!
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Post by babclayman on Nov 12, 2018 12:21:18 GMT -5
We have a Trailer for; Toy Story IV, Pups! It seems to introduce us to another Character, for the Film, and it also appears to set up the Theme, too. While Toy Story III was more an Adventure Film, Toy Story IV is set to be more Humour and Romance Film. So, the Trailer does set up the humour part of it, Eh? www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDXYRzerjzUWe also have an Image of what appears to be Woody & Buzz meeting Toys, you can win at a Carnaval Game. If you look Close, you can also see the Guitar from Coco, too. What you think of the Image and Trailer, Pups?
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Post by babclayman on Dec 13, 2018 8:13:22 GMT -5
Ooooooooh, it seems that the "Urban Fantasy World" Film, which was announced at the D 23 Expo in 2017, now has a name!
It shall be called Onward, and shall be able two Elves, who head on a quest to find more magic in the world! We even have a cast for the Film, too!
It seems that the two elves have a thing for Peter's of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as one shall be Chris Pratt, who is Peter Quill in Guardians Of The Galaxy; with the other being Tom Holland, who is Spider-Man!
It shall also have; Julia Louis-Dreyfus, who is Princess Atta in Bug's Life; with Octavia Spencer, who is Missus Otterton in Zootopia!
This does sound like an intriguing Film, and I do wonder what the World of this Film shall be like!?
What you think of this information, Pups?
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Post by Belchic on Dec 13, 2018 14:25:08 GMT -5
May i ask where did you hear this information, bab? Also, what is the name of the movie? You didn’t give us the title at all.
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Post by babclayman on Dec 13, 2018 15:28:52 GMT -5
The information is on; Oh My Disney. It is an Official Disney Page, so I am sure the information for the coming Pixar Film is correct, Eh?
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