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Post by Trey_Vore on Jun 21, 2012 13:46:28 GMT -5
Lilo and Stitch just turned 10 years old today!
In honor of this ocassion, here's a thread where we can discuss this modern day classic.
I will say it is my personal pick for the Best Disney Animated Feature of the 2000s.
Also, I just bought the movie on iTunes. Well worth it.
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Post by RaceFanX on Jun 21, 2012 14:08:42 GMT -5
Disney got a lot of milage out of this one and it was a legitimate animated hit at a time they needed one. It had a solid story and some funny moments, it really lived up to the 'Disney' name.
This is the only one of the 2000s traditionally-animated films that also really branched out into a franchise, Atlantis was supposed to get an animated series but it died in development when the film bombed. Disney's still making money off this one, in part because of Stitch's odd following in Japan which somehow led to a bizarre anime.
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Post by babclayman on Jun 21, 2012 14:53:20 GMT -5
Woah! Ten Years today! O.O I remember going to see that, when it came out in the Cinema! Makes me see how Old, I am getting. ^^;
My Sister & I loved the Movie when it came out, we still got the talking Stitch too. I myself am able to do a Good Stitch impression myself. B3
I don't see why Atlantis bombed, that was a pretty good movie, solid story and characters too. Although, Milo Returns was a backdoor pilot, I could just see it.
Although, Who would have thought that the movie would spawn off to have such a big followung?
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Post by Two-Tone on Jun 21, 2012 22:11:32 GMT -5
yup, happy 10th birthday Lilo and Stitch
great movie and great series too
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jun 25, 2012 2:06:27 GMT -5
Disney got a lot of milage out of this one and it was a legitimate animated hit at a time they needed one. It had a solid story and some funny moments, it really lived up to the 'Disney' name. This is the only one of the 2000s traditionally-animated films that also really branched out into a franchise, Atlantis was supposed to get an animated series but it died in development when the film bombed. Disney's still making money off this one, in part because of Stitch's odd following in Japan which somehow led to a bizarre anime. I can kinda explain the anime thing Race... Obviously a hit in both the USA and Japan, it seemed logical that since there was already the American version... ...obviously the Japanese would want to put their own spin on the Stitch story. I read that in one of the episodes Yuuna was able to beat Stitch in a fight which led Stitch to want to learn martial arts from her. If you are wondering how that was possible, well the Japanese value fighting with skill and precision (much like a samurai warrior). It's no more weird than having Stitch change his ways after experiencing the Hawaiian practice of ohana. Just remember... This is the American Powerpuff Girls. Obviously the Japanese wanted to put their own spin on it, so... We also have this, the Japanese Powerpuff Girls. Because why not? When Capcom decided to bring their video game Street Fighter 2 to the US, it was a smash hit in the USA and gave video gamers a well-designed tournament fighter. Because of this success, obviously we want to put an American spin on it. People complain that it's more like a war scenario than a tournament fight, but they're obviously judging it from the wrong half of the Pacific Ocean. The fact that the main male hero is Guile and not Ryu is no more wrong than the character we recognize as "M. Bison" being the psychotic dictator who schemes to rule the Earth and not the money-grubbing boxer who's intended to be a parody of "Iron Mike" Tyson. They are both canon, just like... Sega of Japan makes the Sonic the Hedgehog video games, and they also have the "Movie" and the Sonic X anime series. However they still acknowledge American spins on their property like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic SatAM, the Archie comics, and Sonic Underground. If nothing else, there were two different versions of King Kong vs. Godzilla. In the Japanese verison, Godzilla won. In the American version, King Kong won. Just taking our ideas and beliefs and flauntin' 'em.
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Post by RaceFanX on Jun 25, 2012 10:58:40 GMT -5
I just chalked it up to Japanese ethnocentrism, as a whole the country preferes its own media to outside sources (PPG was a small hit on a cable channel over there, when a network Japanese channel picked it up they just made a new anime) and they are far from alone in that aspect. Their love of Stitch probably stems from his 'monster movie' nature, constant Pacific island settings and small, cute package. The King Kong vs. Godzilla thing is a bit of an urban legend though... www.snopes.com/movies/films/godzilla.asp...in both versions the fight ends in a tie. You are right though they edited the film heavily before releasing it in America.
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Post by babclayman on Jun 25, 2012 11:59:00 GMT -5
I dislike the element on how the girl is able to beat up Stitch in the first episode of the anime. This is a creature who is able to lift things three hundred times his size, has battled against over 600 cousins, so should be well trained to combat ANYTHING. And he is beaten in less than five minutes.
I tend to dislike when they make an already established character, considerably weaker, to make their newer character look better. It's boarder line Mary Sue trait, isn't it?
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Post by RaceFanX on Jun 25, 2012 15:16:52 GMT -5
Somewhat but that anime in general was weird like all the experiments back to their evil ways with odd, odd new powers that didn't line up. I like the original 'alternate universe' approach to that more than it being a sequel and it mostly works as such.
This is a creature who is able to lift things three hundred times his size
But not an ounce more, I thought it was funny Stitch was showing off on one episode of the show lifting two bulldozers and Gantu wrecks it throwing a feather on there so he drops it.
Gantu's always around but hard to count as a villain, he's not in the right in the first movie and presses the issue too hard but then has to face the consequences afterward falling in with the wrong guy to make ends meet. Kind of refreshing though compared to most Disney villains like Cruella who was a cocky, evil a**hole by comparsion. He was sympathic enough he got to win in quite a few episodes of the TV show and redeemed in the series finale movie.
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Post by Trey_Vore on Jun 26, 2012 13:07:09 GMT -5
That was a bit of a problem in the movie. No real villain.
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Post by babclayman on Jun 26, 2012 13:13:48 GMT -5
True, It wasn't that anyone was evil or Aliens wanted to take over the World or anything. It was more like "They're after Stitch, because he is an Escaped Convict, they're trying to catch."
I quote from the Novelisation of the "Live Action" "101 Dalmatians"; "Am I A Hero for Outrunning a Government Worker?"
The drama of the Movie wasn't brought on by the element of having a Villain, it was more the factor of Ohana and seeing how the family copes. Isn't it?
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Post by RaceFanX on Jun 26, 2012 13:35:21 GMT -5
Stitch himself was sort of the villain as he had to overcome his urge to destroy and find a way to be better. Jumba and Pleakley also acted as the real villains for most of piece but their Heel Face Turn at the end and all that followed it has made them had to think of as such. Same could probably go for Cobra Bubbles (B.A., same he didn't show up more).
While Disney is known for villains they aren't a neccessity, 'Bolt' didn't really have one and that was a great movie ('The Green Eyed Man' fit the role but he was just an actor playing a role on TV and not a real foe)
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Post by Two-Tone on Jun 26, 2012 16:59:33 GMT -5
yeah till Stitch the movie introduces us to the primary villain in the Lilo and Stitch universe, namely Dr. Hamsterviel
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Post by RaceFanX on Jun 26, 2012 19:20:22 GMT -5
Yeah, that gerbil-like foe fit the villain role better than anyone else in the franchise.
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Post by Two-Tone on Jun 26, 2012 19:47:58 GMT -5
ya, alot better than Reuben (625) and Gantu in the series though in the series Hamsterviel employed them to catch the other experiements and Angel (624) too till she turned on Hamsterviel when she realized she loved Stitch and watched Stitch be attacked by the experiments she charmed with her song.
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Post by Snivinerior on Jun 27, 2012 0:17:44 GMT -5
I'm not really a fan of the stitch franchise and it's movies/series but happy 10th birthday! Anyway, the franchise's timeline continuity confuses me... Stitch was created by Jumba, Jumba was arrested and Stitch escaped, crashed to Earth met Lilo in Hawaii... that's all I understand. So why does stitch end up on Japan with another girl? He left Lilo just like that? And I think the original series is the continuation of the movie, Lilo and Stitch's mission objective was to capture and collect all the missing/escaped aliens through out Hawaii? Am I right? So can anyone explain the complete and correct timeline of the franchise? (E.g. 101 Dalmatians (1961) - 101 Dalmatians II - 101 Dalmatians: The Series "Since, they moved out just then on 101 Dalmatians II, this means Lucky's adventure starts when they move out on the sequel" 101 Dalmatians also has continuity issues as well.)
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