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Post by Belchic on Mar 11, 2014 10:45:06 GMT -5
I'm still a little confused. I thought you said at first that the first 12 or more comics were going to focus on Smudge's street life and how she found the farm. Also, if this comic does become a hit, do you think fans will want to see more of Smudge if we keep using her less and less?
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Post by Belchic on Mar 11, 2014 10:53:42 GMT -5
As for what Shawn said, I don't know what you're saying about the whole Zelda thing, but do you have any idea how long it takes to beat that game? Are you referring how Gannon was a mystery until the end of the game? You're making it sound like it's going to take Smudge forever to get to the actual Dals we all know.
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Post by Stirfry on Mar 11, 2014 11:20:37 GMT -5
As for what Shawn said, I don't know what you're saying about the whole Zelda thing, but do you have any idea how long it takes to beat that game? Are you referring how Gannon was a mystery until the end of the game? You're making it sound like it's going to take Smudge forever to get to the actual Dals we all know. Belchic.... Belchic.... Belchic... I don't know where you got this idea that we're going to keep Smudge's city life going on forever. In what universe would it make sense to say "We're going to make a 101 dalmatians webcomic and the first 30 issues are going to be all about this dalmatian living in the city who has nothing to do with 101 dalmatians." ? That would just be stupid. If we were going to do that then we would have called it a new "Smudge comic". How many times must we clarify that she will arrive at the dearly farm in the very first comic? Yes, the first few PAGES of the comic will set up her life but most of the VERY FIRST COMIC will be about the dearly farm.
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Post by babclayman on Mar 11, 2014 11:29:05 GMT -5
The point that Shawn was making, Belchic was that Smudge is suppose to be the Audience Surrogate. As TVTropes puts it. The viewpoint character. A character who asks questions the audience would ask and says things the audience would say. A character who the audience (or the children in the audience) doesn't just sympathize with, but are supposed to actively see themselves as — by desire, by default, or by author inference.
The reason we have her is that she learns about the Dearly Farm, with the Audience. There are reasons why the first episode of; "101 Dalmatians The Series" is about them Moving to the Farm. Otherwise, we'll get a case of them going; "As you know; Exposition." because if they already know it, then they shouldn't need to say it.
I'm not saying Smudge is going to upstage EVERYONE, and like said I'm having the Main Dals lead her around the Dearly Farm in the first story. But her street life is needed to be known, otherwise readers will ask; "Who is she? Where she come from? Why is she here?" I'm not going to make an entire comic line about Smudge's Street Life, but we at least need to know her backstory in the first couple of pages.
Again, like in Friendship Is Magic, the first scene or two in that was set with Twilight in Canterlot, before heading to Ponyville.
The Main Dals will be part of the first story, Okay?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 11:37:29 GMT -5
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Post by Belchic on Mar 11, 2014 14:07:05 GMT -5
Look, when bab first brought up the idea of Smudge, I thought the first several comics were going to focus on her city life wandering the streets of Grutely. That might as well happen, after all, readers do need to know her back story.
Also, the reason I think the Smudge saga is going to last 12, 30, 100 comics is because I've known bab for years now. I've seen how he does fanfics and RP's, and I know how much he loves to drag the story out for such a long time because he wants it to be as detailed as possible. That kind of bothers me because not EVERY story has to be as long and detailed as Lord of the Rings. I mean, can you think of any children's books made for young readers that are written like that? Take "Green Eggs and Ham" for example: When kids read it, are they going to say, "Who is this guy with the weird hat? What's his backstory? And why does he hate Sam-I-Am so much? The author doesn't explain. This book sucks!" But that's beside the point.
The point is: I don't know what to expect out of this comic. Though if you say it's not going to drag or focus too much on this Smudge pup, then I'll take your word for it. I'm not at all trying to be a drama queen. It's just that all these ideas you guys are coming up with are a little confusing.
Now then...bab, you say that you have the first comic finished already? I look forward to seeing it. That way, I'll have a perfect idea how this will go.
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Post by babclayman on Mar 11, 2014 18:21:47 GMT -5
Dr. Suess books are stand alone tales, mainly aimed for a younger audience, this is an ongoing series for pretty much anyone, especially the Pups of this site.
What you're basically asking Belchic is that we make our Characters Flat.
There is nothing wrong with developing our Characters, Belchic. If we didn't go into depth with any of them, we wouldn't know anything about them, and if we don't know anything about them; We won't care about them. Knowing about Smudge's background (and I cannot stress enough, We are NOT going to spend over a thousand pages on Smudge's Backstory and we won't have her hogging all the limelight) will allow us to see that firstly; Smudge grew up on the streets, She's in 'Bark Brigade', She was the only Dalmatian in it and transferred to the Dearly Farm because she heard of the High Dalmatian Population. She's then at the Farm where we are introducing ourselves to the Main Dals. That's all in Two or Four Pages.
It's called; "Telling A Story". We'll get to the Dearly Farm quickly, but knowing about this Pup will at least prevent the audience going; "Who is this Smudge and why she here?"
You can see what I mean, Can't you?
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Post by Belchic on Mar 11, 2014 18:32:13 GMT -5
I can accept it. I'll just wait and see how this goes. Didn't you say you had the first comic completed?
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Post by Bishop on Mar 11, 2014 19:00:19 GMT -5
He said that he had started the first issue, not that he had finished the first comic.
Speaking of which, I do have some feedback on the first page that you have shown me which might help. I don't know if you did any more but it might be a good idea to wait until you're next on Skype.
I think it would also be a good idea to hear what the script is for the first issue.
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Post by babclayman on Mar 11, 2014 19:12:30 GMT -5
Alrighty, I'll wait till hearing your feedback before starting the second page, Bishop.
With the script, that mainly depends what I got for Smudge's Personality. The first page is mainly an inner monologue talking about the set up. One the first page, it begins with Smudge on her way to the Dearly Farm, before showing a shot of Topstown or Stiffle, Talking about her reasons to joining the 'Bark Brigade' there and then showing that Smudge is the odd one out, since she is the only Dalmatian in her group
Maybe that can be something we can discuss.
What you Pups think Smudge's Personality can be like?
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Post by Belchic on Mar 11, 2014 22:20:13 GMT -5
He said that he had started the first issue, not that he had finished the first comic. Issue? I thought this was going to be a web comic, not a comic book.
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Post by babclayman on Mar 12, 2014 5:27:55 GMT -5
When Bishop says Issue, he means Story. The first issue, or story, is about Smudge arriving on the Dearly Farm.
Although, Do you Pups have any suggestions for Smudge's Personality or Attitude?
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Post by Belchic on Mar 12, 2014 10:44:33 GMT -5
You remember the Pound Puppies episode, "Cuddle Up Buttercup". I think Smudge's personality should be like the pup in that episode who looked identical to the toy.
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Post by babclayman on Mar 12, 2014 16:07:20 GMT -5
Why like her exactly?
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Post by Belchic on Mar 12, 2014 16:28:26 GMT -5
What's wrong with being a tomboy? I think that kind of personality would be perfect for a city pup.
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