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Post by Belchic on Oct 23, 2021 2:14:49 GMT -5
Check this out: youtu.be/Wdju5HuTFTMIsn’t it amazing how similar these two scenes are? Do you think the writers of Clifford’s Puppy Days were ripping off this 101D episode? They even had a character voiced by Kath Soucie involved!
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Post by babclayman on Oct 23, 2021 14:34:30 GMT -5
I don't really think "Animals Stacking Up To Reach A High Place" is that exclusive an idea to "101 Dalmatians The Series", Belchic.
Especially, considering that the context of the scenes are likely different, and the Clifford one probably didn't wind up hitting someone in the face with a bowling ball.
It's literally on TVTropes called "Human Ladder", so it's pretty widely used piece. It be like saying Cyberchase ripped off "Virtual Lucky" cause it has characters going in a Computer.
So, more coincidence if anything.
You understand what I mean, Belchic?
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Post by Stirfry on Oct 23, 2021 16:02:58 GMT -5
Rugrats also did it... and they ALSO had characters voiced by Kath Soucie.
omg! Kath Soucie is behind all the totem polls in cartoons!
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Post by Belchic on Oct 23, 2021 17:18:19 GMT -5
babclayman: This is pretty interesting for you to say this because you’re overthinking it, and yet at the same time, you’re not seeing the big picture. I’m not calling it a rip-off just because it involves animals stacking up to reach something, but the way it was executed had a lot of similarities: 1. They were in a closet. 2. The leader said, “Up there.” before they stacked. 3. There was a character in the scene voiced by Kath Soucie. 4. The top character drops the item they were trying to reach. At the same time though, you are also overthinking it by pointing out all the differences as your way of trying to defend the sources. I guess you can say I’m being a fanboy by calling out “rip-off” here. Believe me, there are tons of fanboys who like to make rip-off accusations over even the littlest details, even when the source is not even trying to reference it! That’s happened to me more times than I can count! Stirfry: You are right to some degree, but did they ever do one similar to these scenes with all the details I just pointed out?
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Post by Stirfry on Oct 23, 2021 21:17:14 GMT -5
Belchic I think they did actually. I swear I remember a scene where they were trying to get something out of a closet and stacked up on each other. But this absolutely isn't a ripoff. Now, if the Clifford scene had a bowling ball in the way and Clifford dropped it, then you could claim it was a ripoff. But in this scene he didn't even drop it. He more threw it down deliberately.
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Post by Belchic on Oct 23, 2021 21:57:19 GMT -5
*sigh* You sound just like babclayman. “They weren’t trying to get a bowling ball.” I can just never win with you guys, can I?
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Post by Stirfry on Oct 23, 2021 23:33:52 GMT -5
Belchic. I am using the same standards a judge would use to determine whether something was infringing on copyright. They would require some "Striking similarities" and I could go into a detailed explanation why this is not ripping them off, but I think that's rather unnecessary for this situation. =P
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Post by Belchic on Oct 24, 2021 0:26:40 GMT -5
I guess in a sense, I’m just saying these scenes are nearly identical. Calling the Clifford clip a blatant rip-off would be extreme.
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Post by Stirfry on Oct 24, 2021 12:24:29 GMT -5
Belchic Well they are somewhat similar but they are quite different in many ways too. 1: In the 101 Dalmatians scene, they don't even get the camera, they drop the bowling ball and it hits Cruella. In the Clifford scene Clifford gets exactly what he wants and throws it down. 2: The dachshund just jumps off the bunny as soon as Clifford climbs up. Rolly never gets off Spot in 101 Dalmatians. 3: There are only 3 characters in Clifford and 4 in 101 Dalmatians. 4: Cadpig doesn't complain about getting squished like the bunny does. The list could go on. If you think about it, it's different in more ways than it is similar.
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Post by Belchic on Oct 24, 2021 19:40:31 GMT -5
I rest my case. You and bab are very much alike in this sort of ways. I wish I could talk this kind of sense into AVGN fanboys and NC fanboys who have branded me as a rip-off, but alas, they’re like trolls: I will never win with them no matter what I say to them.
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Post by Stirfry on Oct 24, 2021 21:18:49 GMT -5
I think it's kind of hard to rip off a critic... All they do is sit in front of a camera and give their opinions. If that's a ripoff then every critic is ripping off each other.
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Post by Belchic on Oct 24, 2021 22:55:03 GMT -5
I think it's kind of hard to rip off a critic... All they do is sit in front of a camera and give their opinions. If that's a ripoff then every critic is ripping off each other. Well, according to their fanboys, they spot a rip-off if they notice someone quoting them directly or copying their style. I’ve even been branded an AVGN rip-off for saying the word “the”! I’m not kidding; that’s how sensitive they are! Okay, I think this conversation has gone too far, so I’m ending this now.
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Post by babclayman on Oct 25, 2021 9:04:56 GMT -5
Speaking of Internet Critics, I am actually reminded of something Linkara said, when it comes to this type of thing.
Cinematic Language and Narrative mean more to the originality of a piece. Yes, while there are things which you can compare, it does not follow the story beat for beat, the character dynamics and motivations are different, and what the work is telling us is important, or what we should care about, is what makes it distinct.
Case in point; Star Trek. Both The Original Series and The Next Generation have very similar premises. However, what makes the two series distinct from one another is the characters and their relationship with the Universe they live in.
Having similar ideas is one thing, but it is also a case of presentation, too.
Do you see what I mean?
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Post by Belchic on Oct 25, 2021 12:47:44 GMT -5
Speaking of Internet Critics, I am actually reminded of something Linkara said, when it comes to this type of thing. Cinematic Language and Narrative mean more to the originality of a piece. Yes, while there are things which you can compare, it does not follow the story beat for beat, the character dynamics and motivations are different, and what the work is telling us is important, or what we should care about, is what makes it distinct. Case in point; Star Trek. Both The Original Series and The Next Generation have very similar premises. However, what makes the two series distinct from one another is the characters and their relationship with the Universe they live in. Having similar ideas is one thing, but it is also a case of presentation, too. Do you see what I mean? That’s all fine and dandy, bab, but fanboys don’t care about that. I still have flashbacks to when I used to write articles on Retrojunk. One of the low points in my career is when I wrote that article about the Care Bears in Wonderland movie. The way I wrote it had some similarities to the AVGN’s review of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III. There were AVGN fanboys who noticed this, and not only did they brand me a rip-off, but they claimed that I copied the whole script of his video word for word and claimed it as my own, even though I obviously didn’t. Do you see what I am saying there, bab?
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