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Post by Belchic on Feb 18, 2017 18:25:58 GMT -5
[You're wrong, Just because you want a DVD series doesn't mean Disney is going to give it to you, willy Nilly, Okay, that was completely uncalled for, Shawn! Erm, where did I say anything about FORCING anyone to watch the show? I did not use the word "FORCE" anywhere in my last post. Because I love the series! Is that so wrong??? So? A couple animation errors aren't going to kill the series. It sure sounds like it. I actually believe that. Most people these days have moved on to streaming, but even with that, our options are still very, very limited. I'm hoping they will come up with something like iTunes where you can rip all your movies and watch them in a digital library. I could probably live without the special features on DVD's, I mean, nobody ever watches those anymore these days! Even then, half of the episodes were missing and the ones they did have were edited if that's not bad enough. I still assume the remaining episodes probably got destroyed, but thankfully there are some people out there who have complete digital files of all the episodes. But you are right, the best thing I can do is just be patient; there's nothing I can do about this.
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Post by babclayman on Feb 18, 2017 22:46:34 GMT -5
What you mean "Unclled For", Belchic?
Shawn is just bringing up that doing a D V D Box Set is more complicated, than just asking for one. You realise that one would to find those Episodes in the Disney Vault, clen them up, then make the Menu for the D V D, then make the D V D, then Advertise the D V D, and then Ship the D V D?
I also have to question, why you so insstent that it be on D V D?
I have brough up, on many an occasion; “101 Dalmatians The Series” does technically have a D V D Relese, with; “A Christmas Cruella”. One Episode, but it does still count. You can even View; “101 Dalmatians The Series” on the Internet, on a number of pages, I can show you.
What you mean "Surviving Episodes", Belchic!? It isn’ as though; “101 Dalmatians The Series” was made in the erly ages of Television! We do make sure that we keep trck of what airs on Television, more thn we do in the Sixties! You also have to consider, Belchic; you can find ALL the Episodes of; “101 Dalmatians The Series” on the Internet, and considering that Disney has ELEVEN Vaults, with their work from 1923 to now, I am sure they do have Video of all the; “101 Dalmatians The Series” Episodes!
Shawn brings up too, Streaming is now more the way that Ol’ Television Shows are being shown, now. I have an App called; Disney Life, which is like a Disney Netflix, and on that App, they have Gummi Bears, Ducktales, Little Mermaid The Series, Timn & Pumb, Reccess & Lilo & Stitch The Series on it; so the App does have a record for airing their Shows, from the Eighties and Nineties! On top of that; the Quote on Lucky’s Information Page is a line from; “Chow About That?”! It does show that Disney do remember “101 Dalmatians The Series” and it is likely that they shall appear for Streaming, some time, soon.
Would you be Okay, if they make it available for Streaming, or have it appear on I Tnes, Belchic?
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Post by Belchic on Feb 19, 2017 1:26:10 GMT -5
What you mean "Unclled For" , Belchic ?
The way he worded it sounded rude. Well, if they did that with other TV series, then this wouldn't be much different. Most of those said series have even MORE episodes than 101D I might add! See my previous post, and you'll see the answer there. Erm, bab? One measly episode is NOT the entire series. How many times does 1 go into 65? Let that sink in... Are they mobile-friendly and not require any complicated plug-ins or anything like that? Why must you always talk to me in some weird, alternative language, bab? Why can't you ever just talk normally and get to the point? It's like if I say something as simple as "walk", you have to say something like "disanthoplonzopolis". Could you please not talk in riddles all the time, bab? It really confuses me. Even some of those still exist today though. I'm just saying it's possible. I'm not insisting that my theory is necessarily correct. It could be possible the episodes got caught in a fire, or got water damage, or got smashed. Anything could have happened. To quote Captain Kirk: "WHERE?!" Not necessarily. I learned not too long ago that Disney has several things that are so rare and so lost that nobody, not even the Disney Vault can find them. I saw a video about it. You can view that said video here: youtu.be/aEcA0SNLfaIStill, our options are very limited. There are still tons of shows that are not streaming anywhere. But those shows, unlike 101D, were...what's the word...POPULAR! That's probably about as likely to happen as America Sings returning to Disneyland. Well, not many people use iTunes anymore, and I only use it for music. Though once my family moves over to streaming, I'm sure I wouldn't mind if 101D:TS became available. --- Seriously, I don't understand why every time I try to express my opinion on something, everybody has to act like I'm causing drama all the time. It's as if I'm forbidden to express my opinion. Why doesn't anyone ever respect my opinion for once?
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Post by Trey_Vore on Feb 20, 2017 4:31:39 GMT -5
Going on what babclayman said, I believe my Tara Strong autograph still has Spot on it.
A part of the reason the show didn't become the platinum selling show you clearly want it to be is because at the time of its release, 1997-1998, is when:
1) Disney had just recently purchased ABC. 2) The Disney Afternoon was wearing out its welcome. 3) There were shows like South Park and Pokemon that soaked up a lot of media attention. 4) A push was being made by the FCC to incorporate at least 3 hours of educational programming on TV channels a day. 5) Disney was still pushing Hercules.
But hey, the show did have its flaws and is not still running but it survives to this day right? If I remember:
1) I once wrote an article about this series on RetroJunk that despite not being a media giant still got more than 10 thumbs up. 2) My fan club on DA is always growing. 3) The fact that Disney still shows it on Disney Junior means they haven't forgotten it. 4) The cast seems to have loved their work on the show and will talk about it. 5) This forum exists.
I will also add that no one thought otherwise if I added this series to a list about 90s Cartoons that I feel had aged well. And like RaceFanX says, this series does get airtime on their networks, which is something they probably will never do with other shows from the time like:
--The Mighty Ducks, which was a clunky attempt to be another action show. --Doug, which fans openly hate next to the Nickelodeon series. --Pepper Ann, which is something Disney will probably never consider reairing. --Quack Pack, which they openly declared as Canon Discontinuity!
What I'd like to know Belchic, is why does a show have to be an obnoxious fad that is down-your-throat-and-up-your-ass with air time and store merchandise before you not only consider it popular, but nostalgia worthy? Is your hatred for SpongeBob SquarePants and excitement for the My Little Pony movie clouding your judgement THAT much? There were somethings from the 80s that were indeed popular at the time of their release but attempts to modernize them with updates fell flat; remember what happened with Jem and the Holograms or Ghostbusters? Another example is they were going to make a new Garbage Pail Kids movie, but someone finally woke up, smelled their coffee, realized that was a terrible idea and cancelled it.
We are not like the Chinese where brilliance comes from everywhere from an art museum to a noodle restaurant.
If everything is popular, then nothing's popular.
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Post by Belchic on Feb 20, 2017 16:39:03 GMT -5
*sigh*...Here we go again! Going on what babclayman said, I believe my Tara Strong autograph still has Spot on it. Well, I don't think that photo has any characters she didn't voice. I mean, I know Two-Tone and Vandella aren't on the pic, but they weren't lead characters. I don't see how those could distract the show from being popular. I will give you that, but Pokémon didn't come to America until after 101D was cancelled. Also, this is one of the reasons why Invader ZIM was pulled from Nickelodeon so quickly, because Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents were soaking up all the media attention. I think 101D had its good share of educational moments, and I'm sure babclayman will agree with me on that. They were also pushing the unnecessary theatrical reissue of The Little Mermaid, as well as Radio Disney, plus the other One Saturday Morning Shows: Recess, Doug and Pepper Ann. Compare that to the articles that got more than 80 thumbs up! And hey, a majority of my articles (including mine on the series) are in the negatives! ? Where have you been the last three years, Trey? 101 Dalmatians was removed from Disney Junior's lineup way back in 2013 on Labor Day Weekend, and it has never been shown again since! But I have yet to see any interviews of such. I will give you that. I disagree with you. I believe the show is extremely dated, and I've already stated my reasons why countless times. I admit, I used to be a fanboy of this show myself, but I've soon grown up and learned to face the fact that it is not the only show that should matter. Wait, what do you mean "their networks"? Who's networks? I think Mighty Ducks has a much bigger fanbase than 101D. Considering it's an action show, and those always get a lot more attention from cartoon fans than kid-friendly shows. Quack Pack I will agree is a much more dated show. As for Pepper Ann...why would Disney never consider reairing it. I seem to remember it being very well-promoted, and it was still way more popular than 101D. Whoa! Slow down, Trey! I never said that! All I'm saying is I love 101D and I feel it gets ignored and hated too much (by people outside of this forum that is). That's all. I should have every right to express my opinion, Trey. Why must you always tell me what I should and shouldn't like? I thought we were all supposed to respect other people's opinions on this board, so how come you never respect mine? And yet YOU think the revamps of Alvin and the Chipmunks, Transformers, Garfield and The Smurfs are all perfectly fine? Just because the movie and the tv series from the 80's were bad doesn't mean it would always be bad. They could have learned from their mistake with those and tried to improve with this one. That happened with TMNT. Nobody liked the 2007 movie, but Michael Bay improved on it greatly with his film. That's actually true. Sounds like something Confusious would have said. I even admit there are plenty of unpopular shows out there that deserve to be unpopular, like the atrocity you keep bringing up: Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, or a good example I can think of is Schnookums & Meat, which was supposed to be Disney's response to Ren & Stimpy, but it failed horribly, and to this day, hardly anyone even remembers it! Whew! Well, I guess that's all I gotta say about that for now!
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Post by RaceFanX on Feb 20, 2017 22:03:42 GMT -5
"--The Mighty Ducks, which was a clunky attempt to be another action show." There was a little more to it than that. At the time Disney actually had an NHL team, the "Mighty Ducks of Anaheim," and the show was designed in part to promote it (ex. The team's headquarters on the show was built into a hockey arena called "The Pond" which was indeed the name of the real arena where they played). Main character 'Wildwing' was an animated version of the team's real mascot character. Disney sold the team years ago and the team changed their team colors and renamed itself the Anaheim Ducks afterward. Since unlike "101" it promotes something Disney is no longer involved with any way it's even more unlikely we'll ever see it again. Still the theme song was awesome, hit all the perfect 'sports stadium anthem' notes... www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPTEr7y5jKsIn all honesty though that show has aged about as well as the Ducks' exceedingly purple-and-teal uniforms. Trey's right in that "101" is aging a bit better than most 1990s toons and thus still has money to be made from it. "Animaniacs" and "Tiny Toons" were huge in the day and now that we're older we do get all jokes when we watch them but both dated horribly because of all the pop culture jokes (who still even remembers the movie "Arachnophobia" yet 'Tiny Toons' parodied it with a title pun to boot).
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Post by Two-Tone on Feb 20, 2017 22:49:59 GMT -5
indeed Race indeed.
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Post by babclayman on Feb 21, 2017 8:18:54 GMT -5
We should also consider, how things become Cult Classics too.
Like I bring up; It's A Wonderful Life did bd, when it Frst screend, however, thnks to a loop hole, allowing Channels to air it for fre, many now have that in their top ten Christmas Films. The Newsies Film didn' do as well, when it ws Screen, but it is now a Highly Successfl Musical! I also think Labrynth is like that, too.
On top of how, as many note; "101 Dalmatians The Series" is a Show that does age really well and, as Trey notes, fan base groups are on the rise, it is likely that it shall be vindicatd by histry or, at leas, consider a cult classic. It is also likely, it shall become avaliable for Streaming, some when in coming years. Maybe, when they air the coming "Cruella's" Film, Maybe?
You can understand those points, can you, Belchic?
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Post by Lucky on Feb 21, 2017 17:19:38 GMT -5
Going on what babclayman said, I believe my Tara Strong autograph still has Spot on it. A part of the reason the show didn't become the platinum selling show you clearly want it to be is because at the time of its release, 1997-1998, is when: 1) Disney had just recently purchased ABC. 2) The Disney Afternoon was wearing out its welcome. 3) There were shows like South Park and Pokemon that soaked up a lot of media attention. 4) A push was being made by the FCC to incorporate at least 3 hours of educational programming on TV channels a day. 5) Disney was still pushing Hercules. But hey, the show did have its flaws and is not still running but it survives to this day right? If I remember: 1) I once wrote an article about this series on RetroJunk that despite not being a media giant still got more than 10 thumbs up. 2) My fan club on DA is always growing. 3) The fact that Disney still shows it on Disney Junior means they haven't forgotten it. 4) The cast seems to have loved their work on the show and will talk about it. 5) This forum exists. I will also add that no one thought otherwise if I added this series to a list about 90s Cartoons that I feel had aged well. And like RaceFanX says, this series does get airtime on their networks, which is something they probably will never do with other shows from the time like: -- The Mighty Ducks, which was a clunky attempt to be another action show. -- Doug, which fans openly hate next to the Nickelodeon series. -- Pepper Ann, which is something Disney will probably never consider reairing. -- Quack Pack, which they openly declared as Canon Discontinuity! What I'd like to know Belchic, is why does a show have to be an obnoxious fad that is down-your-throat-and-up-your-ass with air time and store merchandise before you not only consider it popular, but nostalgia worthy? Is your hatred for SpongeBob SquarePants and excitement for the My Little Pony movie clouding your judgement THAT much? There were somethings from the 80s that were indeed popular at the time of their release but attempts to modernize them with updates fell flat; remember what happened with Jem and the Holograms or Ghostbusters? Another example is they were going to make a new Garbage Pail Kids movie, but someone finally woke up, smelled their coffee, realized that was a terrible idea and cancelled it. We are not like the Chinese where brilliance comes from everywhere from an art museum to a noodle restaurant. If everything is popular, then nothing's popular. That's a pretty good post, Trey, couldn't say it better myself. ^^ The Mighty Ducks Cartoon, another one my parents didn't want me to watch, but hey I like action/adventure, you can't take that away, even if you tried, but when I first saw it, I figured it was like it's Live Action Counterpart that Disney has about the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, but I was surprised by how wrong I was since it was about Anthromorphic Ducks and Hockey was still involved but there was action as well. Doug, I can understand, if you watch the Nostalgia Critic, you find out he hates the cartoon with a passion because he has the same name as the character, but as a kid, I did enjoy the series on Nick, but when Disney acquired the series, I stopped, mostly because it didn't have the same vibe it did when Nick made the series. Pepper Ann, I can honestly say, I did watch the show, but the only thing that I was more interested in seeing was Milo since he was voiced by no other than the voice actor that voiced Mooch, though I did seem to enjoy the TGIF episode since it had the Ground Hog Day Motiff. Quack Pack Same as Pepper Ann, but only bits and pieces till I found the episodes online and watched them all, I even showed an episode to TT. I wouldn't mind watching Darkwing Duck or 101 Dalmatians again though, because I do enjoy those shows, but I still have a feeling that Disney isn't going to make a DVD release of the show. Stream it's possible, but I highly doubt it, but we'll see.
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Post by Belchic on Aug 19, 2018 20:27:15 GMT -5
As I’ve said numerous times before, this series is a series that as much as I love it, I feel it has aged very poorly. Such reasons include dated technology, lackluster animation, and the pups having the personalities of stereotypical 90’s kids. Not to mention, contradicting the movie by having it set in modern day U.S. doesn’t help much.
However, I thought of another fact to consider that you should take into account to believe this show is dated:
In the episode, “Invasion of the Doggy Snatchers”, they make it quite clear that this show is set in the year, 1996! Tell me how THAT doesn’t make the show dated!
Now, am I saying you’re not allowed to enjoy the series because of that? No! All I’m saying is that the series may not be as “timeless and unforgettable” as you may think it is.
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Post by RaceFanX on Aug 19, 2018 22:02:56 GMT -5
Why are you restarting a conversation after more than a year with no replies?
All shows are a product of their era but it should be noted "101" did a great job of avoiding societal taboos that would really kill a show as they mostly avoided political or slice of life issues. Sometimes plots they had aged better; those jokes about the fall of Communism in "Out to Launch" only make the situation more ludicrous when watched now (Russia's return to being a pain in the West's side also doesn't damage all the cracks about unloading old Soviet surplus)
While it was set in the 1990s explicitly (as said they even said it was 1996) it's not like they specifically made references to that often enough to hurt the show. "Mall Pups" features a humorous "Ripped from the Headlines" plot for instance dealing with the United States First Lady and the First Dog having written a book; that was a real world reference since at the time Barbara Bush published a book from the POV of her and President George H.W. Bush's cocker spaniel Millie. They wisely used a generic stand-in with the plot involving a fictional Presidential pet named Filibuster instead of using the Bushs (which would have already been dated) or the Clintons (which would have dated it later).
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Post by Belchic on Aug 20, 2018 0:11:37 GMT -5
So you’re saying the only thing that would make this show dated is if they had references to politics? I’m pretty sure there’s more than just that. Like I said, dated technology is a major point: there are audio cassette tapes and floppy disks used as well as old model TV’s and computers, and they also used slide-projectors and I think VHS tapes, even though those are still kicking in in some parts of the world.
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Post by Trey_Vore on Aug 20, 2018 17:50:25 GMT -5
Honestly Belchic… politics tend to date something heavily because they were only relevant at the time. After a bit the jokes that may have made it funny go lost on people after the historical event passes. It isn't because someone is using a piece of technology that's no longer in circulation that dates it. If anything that makes a new joke as time goes on. When Christmas comes can you even tolerate a movie like Home Alone anymore? A movie like that could not possibly happen now but it seems like more people than ever look forward to watching it.
I really think you are overestimating the original 1961 movie Belchic.
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Post by Two-Tone on Aug 20, 2018 19:18:10 GMT -5
I agree with Trey on this.
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Post by Lucky on Aug 21, 2018 3:13:36 GMT -5
Same, I agree with Trey as well.
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