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Post by Belchic on Feb 17, 2010 20:25:42 GMT -5
With the Academy Awards approaching us, I thought it might be nice to talk about this. The topic for "Best Animated Feature" was never a topic for the Academy Awards until 2001. These are the winners for Best Animated Feature since then:
2001 - Shrek 2002 - Spirited Away 2003 - Finding Nemo 2004 - The Incredibles 2005 - Wallace & Gromit: Curse of the Were Rabbit 2006 - Happy Feet 2007 - Ratatouille 2008 - Wall-E
Now, the nominations for the 2009 award are as follows: Coraline, Fantastic Mr. Fox, The Princess and the Frog, The Secret of Kells and Up.
I have some thoughts that might give an idea as to which one of those might win...
Coraline...is possible, but not very likely
Fantastic Mr. Fox...I seriously doubt
The Princess and the Frog...judging by how incredible it was, I would say it's a strong possibility.
The Secret of Kells...I can't say since I haven't seen nor heard of it.
Up...I think this one's most likely to win since it has also been nominated for "Best Picture".
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Just for fun, I've decided to do a little assumption list. Let's say the "Best Animated Feature" category has been around since 1937. Here's what I think the winners would have been:
1937 - Snow White and the Seven Dwarves 1938 - El Mono Relojero 1939 - Gulliver's Travels 1940 - Pinocchio 1941 - Dumbo 1942 - Bambi 1943 - Victory Through Air Power 1944 - The Three Caballeros 1945 - Handling Ships 1946 - Song of the South 1947 - Fun and Fancy Free 1948 - Melody Time 1949 - The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad 1950 - Cinderella 1951 - Alice in Wonderland 1952 - The Snow Maiden 1953 - Peter Pan 1954 - Animal Farm 1955 - Lady and the Tramp 1956 - The Twelve Months 1957 - Hemo the Magnificent 1958 - The Tale of the White Serpent 1959 - Sleeping Beauty 1960 - The Enchanted Monkey 1961 - One Hundred and One Dalmatians 1962 - Gay Purr-ee 1963 - The Sword in the Stone 1964 - The Incredible Mr. Limpet 1965 - Willy McBean and his Magic Machine 1966 - The Daydreamer 1967 - The Jungle Book 1968 - Yellow Submarine 1969 - A Boy Named Charlie Brown 1970 - The Aristocats 1971 - The Point! 1972 - Snoopy, Come Home 1973 - Charlotte's Web 1974 - Down and Dirty Duck 1975 - Coonskin 1976 - Once Upon a Girl 1977 - The Hobbit 1978 - Watershp Down 1979 - Scooby-Doo Goes Hollywood 1980 - The Return of the King 1981 - American Pop 1982 - The Secret of NIMH 1983 - Twice Upon a Time 1984 - Dot and the Bunny 1985 - The Care Bears Movie 1986 - An American Tail 1987 - The Chipmunk Adventure 1988 - Who Framed Roger Rabbit 1989 - The Little Mermaid 1990 - Dragonball Z: The Tree of Might 1991 - Beauty and the Beast 1992 - Aladdin 1993 - Once Upon a Forrest 1994 - The Lion King 1995 - Toy Story 1996 - The Hunchback of Notre Dame 1997 - Princess Mononoke 1998 - The Prince of Egypt 1999 - South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut 2000 - Chicken Run
A lot of you may argue some of these and have different opinions, but would you say these sound about right?
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Post by RaceFanX on Feb 18, 2010 1:03:38 GMT -5
Fantastic Mr. Fox might have an outside chance because it was made by Wes Anderson and he makes the kind of "arthouse fluff" that the Academy just loves. The academy also does enjoy good stop-motion work so both that and Coraline have a chance.
The field for best animated film is pretty wide open this year. Other than Secret of Kells, which is a foreign film, I could see any of the other films winning. This is as opposed to last year when WALL-E won pretty easily (I don't even think Bolt had a real chance to beat it, WALL-E's left-leaning enviromentist message likely put it over the top).
I'll say Up is the likely winner. The Academy loves Pixar (Since the award started only Cars and Monsters, Inc. have lost) and Up also became just the second animated (and first computer animated) feature film ever nominated for the actual Best Picture after Beauty and the Beast. Sadly, I think "Up" has no chance of actually winning Best Picture and that it's nomination is for two political reasons... 1. Despite being one of the best if not the best reviewed film of 2008, WALL-E was snubbed for a best picture nomination and that's a make-up nomination. 2. The academy changed the rules so more films can be nominated in the best picture category mainly as a way for more popular films that were box-office hits could be nominated (District 9 is another one this year). The Oscars TV ratings get lower and lower every year, likely in large part due to the kind of films that WIN Oscars in today's world are usually more "art house" stuff. I suspect that kind of borderline unwatchable tripe will still be winning the awards but at least they are making an effort to nominate more popular stuff to try and get people to tune in.
In the Best Animated Short Feature category I think Wallace and Gromit: A Matter of Loaf and Death is a lock. The Wallace and Gromit films have ALL won Oscars except for A Grand Day Out which lost to Creature Comforts which was another animated film made the same people at Aardman. They should win again this year.
Looking at the older list I find it interesting, some of those really deserved Oscars and some don't in my opinion... A lot of the older Disney and Pixar films and the more artistic stuff like Watership Down almost certainly would have won Oscars if the Best Animated feature had been arpund then.
On the other hand I can't see Coonskin winning any award, especially an Oscar, under any circumstance given its stigma on release "racist against blacks." Song of the South wasn't racist but wasn't really aimated either, ditto a good portion of Mr. Limpet and almost all of Roger Rabbit. Scooby-Doo Goes Hollywood is okay but I think that's ineligible for an Oscar because it was a TV movie.
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Post by babclayman on Feb 18, 2010 4:15:57 GMT -5
I feel Up is likely to be the winner out of the selection we've got this year. It had good animation, proper story telling, likeable characters and you can somewhat see logic in it.
With Wallace & Gromit, while i will admit it was good, i do feel it is one of the weaker of the cracking adventures they had (not to mention the first one to have a death count)
I doubt Mr Fox will get it either because, while i do admit the animation is okay, they didn't really focus much on story, there were plot lines which went no where and the characters had bland voices and at points weren't really likeable. Also it ends with the original ending that even Dahl had decided to change because he felt it didn't set out good morales. Also, there were WAY TOO MANY close ups, we get it! The animation is good! You don't have to force it!
So for me; definate winner should be "Up" I mean, when hasn't Pixar made a good film?
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Post by Belchic on Feb 18, 2010 13:59:27 GMT -5
This is how I'd rank the nominees on how likely they are to win. 1 being the most likely:
1. Up 2. The Princess and the Frog 3. Coraline 4. The Secret of Kells 5. Fantastic Mr. Fox
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Post by Trey_Vore on Feb 28, 2010 5:26:50 GMT -5
Those seem like good choices Belchic. However, while I'll try to come up with other opinions later, my guess for why you chose South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut as Animated Feature of 1999 is because on a personal level you think Tarzan and Toy Story 2 are both overrated. I have my doubts that an animated film of the year would be based on a mature animated comedy (it's not like kids should be watching it).
From my stance, I would probably say Tarzan. I pick that movie over Toy Story 2 because:
For your pick for Best Animated Feature of 1995 you said Toy Story. I would agree, that movie would deserve it more than Pocahontas.
In the 2000s, I remember this:
In 2001, the nominees were Shrek, Monsters Inc. and Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius. Shrek won. In my view, that was basically the best of the three. Monsters Inc. I thought was good but overrated and Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius is really just kid stuff.
In 2004, the nominees were Shrek 2, The Incredibles and Shark Tale. The Incredibles won. While I thought Shrek 2 was (and still is) the best Shrek movie, I would imagine they gave it to The Incredibles probably because they don't want to award it to a sequel. Shark Tale was probably only nominated just to have a third option.
Basically, I think Pixar's been winning so much only because they stand unopposed. I mean, look at these examples:
2003: Finding Nemo won. Again, good but overrated. What was it up against? Brother Bear and The Triplets of Belleville? C'mon, who do you THINK will win?
2006: Happy Feet won. Cars was a miss on their part and I haven't seen Monster House.
2007: Ratatouille won. But what's its competition, Surf's Up and Persepolis? I don't think Shrek the Third even deserved a nomination (it wasn't). Again, no contest.
2008: Wall-E won. As much as I liked Bolt, Wall-E deserved to win.
Roger Ebert is running a poll where you can pick movies you think will win in an attempt to outguess him and win a trip to the premiere of Toy Story 3.
His prediction is Up will win the Best Animated Feature. But not Best Picture.
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Post by babclayman on Feb 28, 2010 5:46:06 GMT -5
I heard at the Baftas, Up won for awards for Best animated feature along with Best music. That should be a sign of what Academy Awards should be.
While i agree with Trey saying it probably won't make best picture, it is very likely to win in Animation. ;3
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Post by Belchic on Feb 28, 2010 17:58:02 GMT -5
Those seem like good choices Belchic. However, while I'll try to come up with other opinions later, my guess for why you chose South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut as Animated Feature of 1999 is because on a personal level you think Tarzan and Toy Story 2 are both overrated. I have my doubts that an animated film of the year would be based on a mature animated comedy (it's not like kids should be watching it). From my stance, I would probably say Tarzan. I pick that movie over Toy Story 2 because: For your pick for Best Animated Feature of 1995 you said Toy Story. I would agree, that movie would deserve it more than Pocahontas. In the 2000s, I remember this: In 2001, the nominees were Shrek, Monsters Inc. and Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius. Shrek won. In my view, that was basically the best of the three. Monsters Inc. I thought was good but overrated and Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius is really just kid stuff. In 2004, the nominees were Shrek 2, The Incredibles and Shark Tale. The Incredibles won. While I thought Shrek 2 was (and still is) the best Shrek movie, I would imagine they gave it to The Incredibles probably because they don't want to award it to a sequel. Shark Tale was probably only nominated just to have a third option. Basically, I think Pixar's been winning so much only because they stand unopposed. I mean, look at these examples: 2003: Finding Nemo won. Again, good but overrated. What was it up against? Brother Bear and The Triplets of Belleville? C'mon, who do you THINK will win? 2006: Happy Feet won. Cars was a miss on their part and I haven't seen Monster House. 2007: Ratatouille won. But what's its competition, Surf's Up and Persepolis? I don't think Shrek the Third even deserved a nomination (it wasn't). Again, no contest. 2008: Wall-E won. As much as I liked Bolt, Wall-E deserved to win. Roger Ebert is running a poll where you can pick movies you think will win in an attempt to outguess him and win a trip to the premiere of Toy Story 3. His prediction is Up will win the Best Animated Feature. But not Best Picture. I can give some responses to you on this Trey. First of all, I did NOT pick South Park because I thought Tarzan and Toy Story 2 were overrated. These aren't based on my opinion; they're all based more on the Universal opinion and how well they did in theaters and all. With that said, Tarzan, Toy Story 2 and South Park all did very well in theaters, and all three of them have a fairly big fan base to this very day. If I was to personally pick one of those for the best animated film of that year, I would definately pick Tarzan. I don't think Toy Story 2 would win since Toy Story 1 did win for 1995, so I don't think it would seem fair if it kept winning all the time. In all honesty, if this was all based on my opinion, I never would have picked the South Park movie, since I personally HATED that film. Just for fun, I thought I'd tell you about why I picked Who Framed Roger Rabbit for the 1988 winner. I would say the nominations for that year would have been that movie, Oliver and Company, and The Land Before Time. Oliver and Company is one I can definately rule out since it did flop in the box office. The Land Before Time was more successful, and I personally would have picked that one if it was up to me. As for Roger Rabbit, while it's not a fully-animated movie, I think of the three aformentioned, that's the movie that was the most successful and has had the biggest cult following, so I'm sure Roger Rabbit would have definately won over Oliver and LBT. As for what you said about the 2000's, I see that you completely omitted 2002, so I'll do it for you: 2002: The winner for this year was Spirited Away. It won and was up against Lilo & Stitch, Ice Age and Spirit. Kind of strange that a foreign film won when it was up against three very strong competitors. And just to add on to what you briefly said about 2008: I agree, I did love Bolt a lot, but I think Wall-E deserved to win. I had a feeling that Wall-E would win anyway, and for two good reasons: 1. All three of those films ranked up as three of the Top 20 highest-grossing films of the year, and of those three, Wall-E had the highest position. 2. Wall-E was the only one of those three that was actually nominated for other awards as well. I also have the same feelings Roger Ebert has about Up. Since it's been nominated for Best Picture, I think it has the strongest chance of winning for Best Animated Feature, but I don't think it's going to win for Best Picture. I think that award is either going to go to Avatar, District 9 or A Serious Man. So, is that good enough for you, Trey?
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Post by Drake on Feb 28, 2010 20:18:39 GMT -5
Yeah, most, if not all are going to say that Avatar's going to win, granted I have not seen the movie myself. I just can't see the appeal of it myself anyway. Although, I'm sure Avatar was also released this year, so it wouldn't count as far as I know.
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Post by RaceFanX on Feb 28, 2010 23:04:06 GMT -5
I find that a film's box office results have little to do with if it wins Oscars. Dark Knight was the biggest hit last year and wasn't even nominated for most categories. There are some areas that seem set aside for box office hit movies like Best Sound, Best Editing and in most years Best Special Effects but for the most part the Academy goes for more dramatic films that often are not box office hits (see anything about someone with a mental disability or issue like alcoholism or anything set during the Holocaust). Action, Sci-Fi and Comedy films are almost always shut out of the serious awards like those for actors, director and Best Picture (prior to this year's expanse to allow token popular nominees like District 9 or Up). See "Oscar Bait" at TV Tropes for more of this.
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Post by Trey_Vore on Mar 1, 2010 3:52:30 GMT -5
Those seem like good choices Belchic. However, while I'll try to come up with other opinions later, my guess for why you chose South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut as Animated Feature of 1999 is because on a personal level you think Tarzan and Toy Story 2 are both overrated. I have my doubts that an animated film of the year would be based on a mature animated comedy (it's not like kids should be watching it). From my stance, I would probably say Tarzan. I pick that movie over Toy Story 2 because: For your pick for Best Animated Feature of 1995 you said Toy Story. I would agree, that movie would deserve it more than Pocahontas. In the 2000s, I remember this: In 2001, the nominees were Shrek, Monsters Inc. and Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius. Shrek won. In my view, that was basically the best of the three. Monsters Inc. I thought was good but overrated and Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius is really just kid stuff. In 2004, the nominees were Shrek 2, The Incredibles and Shark Tale. The Incredibles won. While I thought Shrek 2 was (and still is) the best Shrek movie, I would imagine they gave it to The Incredibles probably because they don't want to award it to a sequel. Shark Tale was probably only nominated just to have a third option. Basically, I think Pixar's been winning so much only because they stand unopposed. I mean, look at these examples: 2003: Finding Nemo won. Again, good but overrated. What was it up against? Brother Bear and The Triplets of Belleville? C'mon, who do you THINK will win? 2006: Happy Feet won. Cars was a miss on their part and I haven't seen Monster House. 2007: Ratatouille won. But what's its competition, Surf's Up and Persepolis? I don't think Shrek the Third even deserved a nomination (it wasn't). Again, no contest. 2008: Wall-E won. As much as I liked Bolt, Wall-E deserved to win. Roger Ebert is running a poll where you can pick movies you think will win in an attempt to outguess him and win a trip to the premiere of Toy Story 3. His prediction is Up will win the Best Animated Feature. But not Best Picture. I can give some responses to you on this Trey. First of all, I did NOT pick South Park because I thought Tarzan and Toy Story 2 were overrated. These aren't based on my opinion; they're all based more on the Universal opinion and how well they did in theaters and all. With that said, Tarzan, Toy Story 2 and South Park all did very well in theaters, and all three of them have a fairly big fan base to this very day. If I was to personally pick one of those for the best animated film of that year, I would definately pick Tarzan. I don't think Toy Story 2 would win since Toy Story 1 did win for 1995, so I don't think it would seem fair if it kept winning all the time. In all honesty, if this was all based on my opinion, I never would have picked the South Park movie, since I personally HATED that film. Just for fun, I thought I'd tell you about why I picked Who Framed Roger Rabbit for the 1988 winner. I would say the nominations for that year would have been that movie, Oliver and Company, and The Land Before Time. Oliver and Company is one I can definately rule out since it did flop in the box office. The Land Before Time was more successful, and I personally would have picked that one if it was up to me. As for Roger Rabbit, while it's not a fully-animated movie, I think of the three aformentioned, that's the movie that was the most successful and has had the biggest cult following, so I'm sure Roger Rabbit would have definately won over Oliver and LBT. As for what you said about the 2000's, I see that you completely omitted 2002, so I'll do it for you: 2002: The winner for this year was Spirited Away. It won and was up against Lilo & Stitch, Ice Age and Spirit. Kind of strange that a foreign film won when it was up against three very strong competitors. And just to add on to what you briefly said about 2008: I agree, I did love Bolt a lot, but I think Wall-E deserved to win. I had a feeling that Wall-E would win anyway, and for two good reasons: 1. All three of those films ranked up as three of the Top 20 highest-grossing films of the year, and of those three, Wall-E had the highest position. 2. Wall-E was the only one of those three that was actually nominated for other awards as well. I also have the same feelings Roger Ebert has about Up. Since it's been nominated for Best Picture, I think it has the strongest chance of winning for Best Animated Feature, but I don't think it's going to win for Best Picture. I think that award is either going to go to Avatar, District 9 or A Serious Man. So, is that good enough for you, Trey? Yep. That's good. I only omitted 2002 because there was no Pixar film released that year. There was also no Pixar film made in 2005. But anyway... 2005: The nominees were Tim Burton's Corpse Bride, Hayao Miyazaki's Howl's Moving Castle and Nick Park's Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit. One might initally see this as a another face-off between Western Animation and Japanese Animation. Instead, there was a Darkhorse Victory--the award went to Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit. How do you like that? In this year's animation battle of USA vs. Japan, England won!
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Post by RaceFanX on Mar 7, 2010 22:56:18 GMT -5
Well Up won the best animated feature, we all knew that was coming.
The animated short award went to Logorama, an arthouse piece with an anti-corporate bent. ****in' Hollywood leftists...
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Post by Belchic on Dec 1, 2010 18:15:28 GMT -5
Say, this year is almost over, so I thought maybe I'd bring this up.
Now that I've seen Tangled, I have an estimate as to how the Academy Awards for Best Animated Feature are going to be like for this year:
I'm guessing for this year, the nominees for Best Animated Feature will be...
1. Alpha and Omega 2. Despicable Me 3. Shrek 4ever After 4. Tangled 5. Toy Story 3
And my prediction for the winner? ...
What else? Toy Story 3!
I'm 100% sure that TS3 will win for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if it was nominated for Best Picture. In fact, if it was, I wouldn't even be surprised if it won, becasue it surely deserves it!
Anyway, I'm pretty sure that my assumptions for the nominations up there will be the nominees...unless Hollywood finds the need to have a foreign animated film thrown in there, and if they do, then I'm sure they'll replace Alpha and Omega with that one, since the critics hated it.
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Post by 88SpaceKitten on Dec 1, 2010 19:07:25 GMT -5
Nice predictions. I at least hope. A&O is in the running. That movie was great.
Also, I like your list of the films from the 1930's and up that would have been nominated/won. Watership Down especially, I'm a little surprised that you know of it! *loves that book to death*
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Post by Nemo on Dec 1, 2010 19:42:31 GMT -5
Personally I think the winner will be 1 of the Disney films
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Post by RaceFanX on Dec 1, 2010 22:33:57 GMT -5
Toy Story 3 is probably a lock. I really can't see Shrek 4Ever After or Alpha and Omega getting nominated though as both are movies with stigmas. Shrek came off as a cash grab while Alpha and Omega has a bit of an image of being a kid's movie about sex (the "howling" bit didn't fool anyone). I think in their place you'll see How to Train your Dragon (which was very well received and has even had rumors of being a Best Picture nominee) and either MegaMind or a foreign film.
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